Jazz "A.C." - After Coltrane

[jochanaan]

I feel the point has not been made strongly enough that it was not just Trane.  I know I'll sound all Romantic, but the Fifties, Sixties and early Seventies was in fact a golden age of free jazz.  It began with Bird and Dizzy and the other Beboppers, continued with the likes of Mingus and Monk and Evans, and then exploded with Rahsaan Roland Kirk, Pharaoh Sanders, Sun Ra, Eric Dolphy, Wayne Shorter and Weather Report, Ornette, Miles of course, and many other great players, leaders and sidemen (and probably some great women whom I'm forgetting) who went way, way outside.  As good as today's players are, they owe almost everything to these greats.

[North Star]

I feel the point has not been made strongly enough that it was not just Trane.  I know I'll sound all Romantic, but the Fifties, Sixties and early Seventies was in fact a golden age of free jazz.  It began with Bird and Dizzy and the other Beboppers, continued with the likes of Mingus and Monk and Evans, and then exploded with Rahsaan Roland Kirk, Pharaoh Sanders, Sun Ra, Eric Dolphy, Wayne Shorter and Weather Report, Ornette, Miles of course, and many other great players, leaders and sidemen (and probably some great women whom I'm forgetting) who went way, way outside.  As good as today's players are, they owe almost everything to these greats.

A lot of good stuff then, certainly.
https://www.youtube.com/v/_ALPmRk3Ht4

[Scion7]

As good as today's players are, they owe almost everything to these greats.

That goes without saying.  Why bother too much with 4th and 5th generation when the originals and the BEST are all available on CD and/or vinyl?

[jochanaan]

That goes without saying.  Why bother too much with 4th and 5th generation when the originals and the BEST are all available on CD and/or vinyl?

Well, actually, jazz, as much or more than classical, really should be heard live, "in the moment."  So if you can find a club with good players, by all means go hear/see them.

[Scion7]

I saw a few of the 'greats' when they were still actively making good music like McCoy Tyner, Larry Coryell, Art Ensemble of Chicago, and Bobby Hutcherson, to name a few - live experiences are great, but so are recorded ones.  Thankfully Dolphy, Coltrane, Mingus, etc., are preserved on film and video, too.

But I was referring to the records in my post above.

With so much Dolphy, Coltrane, Coleman, McLean, Mingus, Davis, Evans, etc. etc. out there, why would I waste too much time on 4th-5th generation people that can be nothing else but pale imitations?  The great Jazz artists of the Fifties-Sixties did it all already.

[7/4]

One of my favorite musicians influenced by him is Tisziji Munoz.
While there are few other great guitarists who have been influenced by him in a way or another (from Carlos Santana to John McLaughlin, Allan Holdsworth, Arthur Rhames and Sonny Greenwich) I think that he is the one who most successfully has taken the ideas and the spiritual passion of the saxophonist on the guitar.
I still can't undestand why he's so little known

Tisziji is great, I've heard him play a lot.

[7/4]

Worth noting that Coltrane pass on almost 50 years ago...48, he died in '67. Lots of music to check out there, that's a nice chunk of jazz history.