All About Streaming Music Services

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DavidW

Right about that Madiel.  To quote forum guidelines:

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The offending post has been deleted.  Sorry to be heavy handed about it.

Daverz

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Quote from: DavidW on March 29, 2023, 06:02:57 PMRight about that Madiel.  To quote forum guidelines:

The offending post has been deleted.  Sorry to be heavy handed about it.

In my own defense, the software can't be used if you don't have a subscription to use the streaming services it can access.  It simply uses the APIs provided by those streaming services.  As it says at the bottom of the page:

"By using <redacted>, you agree to the terms and conditions of the Qobuz, Tidal, and Deezer APIs."

It doesn't get around the terms and conditions, it just means you have to abide by them manually.

Papy Oli

A tweet today from M-A Hamelin:

Olivier

DavidW

Oh I can't wait!  There is so, so, so much music in their catalog I would like to listen to.

San Antone

This was my first question after I learned of the purchase.  Good news.

Wanderer

Quote from: Papy Oli on May 11, 2023, 05:41:02 AMA tweet today from M-A Hamelin:


...which means that many of you will finally be able to listen to, among others, his exquisite Medtner and Alkan recordings. 🥂

Spotted Horses

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I'm starting to appreciate the agony and ecstasy of streaming. I have Apple Music, for pop music and listening to kids songs in the car. I wanted to listen to the Ewa Kupiec recording of Bacewicz piano music, which I purchased some years ago. Mysteriously, it is nowhere to be found. I must have gotten rid of the disc before I remembered to rip it. Grrr!.

Now I have to buy it again (overpriced used copies or lossless download with no booklet). But wait, maybe it's on Apple Music. Indeed, it is and listening to a quick except on my fancy Sony noise canceling wireless headphones, it sounds great. Maybe there's something to this streaming thing.

Then, I thought, I keep hearing about this Talich Quartet Beethoven set, and I'm considering buying it. Maybe they have that too. Yes! But wait, they seem to have multiple copies of some volumes listed and the volume that I would listen to first, the one with Op 127, is inexplicably missing! I'm back to grrrr!
There are simply two kinds of music, good music and the other kind. - Duke Ellington

Pohjolas Daughter

Quote from: Spotted Horses on May 16, 2023, 02:54:40 PMI'm starting to appreciate the agony and ecstasy of streaming. I have Apple Music, for pop music and listening to kids songs in the car. I wanted to listen to the Ewa Kupiec recording of Bacewicz piano music, which I purchased some years ago. Mysteriously, it is nowhere to be found. I must have gotten rid of the disc before I remembered to rip it. Grrr!.

Now I have to buy it again (overpriced used copies or lossless download with no booklet). But wait, maybe it's on Apple Music. Indeed, it is and listening to a quick except on my fancy Sony noise canceling wireless headphones, it sounds great. Maybe there's something to this streaming thing.

Then, I thought, I keep hearing about this Talich Quartet Beethoven set, and I'm considering buying it. Maybe they have that too. Yes! But wait, they seem to have multiple copies of some volumes listed and the volume that I would listen to first, the one with Op 127, is inexplicably missing! I'm back to grrrr!
Oh, no!

I suspect that the Talich Q. have recorded it multiple times over the years.  Wonder whether or not Apple used the same covers for the various sets (shudder)?

PD
Pohjolas Daughter

Spotted Horses

No, the duplicate entries are identical in every respect (track timings, etc) so I am pretty sure they are the same recording.

I don't think that Apple Music actively fetches releases for their service. With the exception of really high profile artists, I suspect they basically say "if you want your releases on our platform go to our portal and upload it." So I suspect that some half-wit intern at La Dolce Volta who was responsible for uploading the material lost track of what he or she was doing and uploaded some material twice and some not at all. Rather annoying.

There are simply two kinds of music, good music and the other kind. - Duke Ellington

Madiel

Quote from: Spotted Horses on May 17, 2023, 05:43:33 AMI don't think that Apple Music actively fetches releases for their service. With the exception of really high profile artists, I suspect they basically say "if you want your releases on our platform go to our portal and upload it." So I suspect that some half-wit intern at La Dolce Volta who was responsible for uploading the material lost track of what he or she was doing and uploaded some material twice and some not at all. Rather annoying.

Yes, this is pretty much the case, especially for any release that predates streaming being a regular thing. I've encountered quite a few examples of this sort of problem, when some entry in a series is missing. It's almost always slightly older recordings, right from the cusp of the transition to streaming services.

Duplications are more often the result of things being released repeatedly. Idagio certainly has this problem, and I think Primephonic used to as well. Even though they sometimes have information about recording dates, it doesn't always translate into recognising "oh, this is the same recording released again". Often Idagio does get this right and correctly identifies the one recording as belong to multiple albums, but it's a little patchy and I suspect they're largely relying on the metadata they've been provided with, which with the great big initial dump tends to have been bad.

Idagio (and formerly Primephonic) would at least correct metadata problems that were pointed out to them. Doing that with Apple would be almost impossible. And as for missing albums like this, well, I've never tried with any service to say "um, why is one things from this sequence missing".
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DavidW

I do like how Spotify shows you that it is aware of the missing tracks but that they are unavailable (they show them but are greyed out).  I wish more platforms would take that approach instead of just skipping over them.  Qobuz has the honesty of labeling the tracks available on incomplete albums as promotional (I don't remember the exact wording) if the label is just giving you a sample to get you to buy the whole thing.  Doesn't happen a lot but it happens.

Spotted Horses

I can feel myself getting sucked into the streaming universe based on noticing what is available on Apple Music (and all seems to be available in lossless format).

But I miss the "booklet." I like to see the recording data (i.e., date and location of recording). And the program notes are of interest, particularly in music that is new to me. That seems to be basically nonexistent in streaming world. Do people miss this, or do some streaming services provide the "booklet?"
There are simply two kinds of music, good music and the other kind. - Duke Ellington

DavidW

Quote from: Spotted Horses on May 20, 2023, 08:26:57 AMdo some streaming services provide the "booklet?"

Yes both Qobuz and Idagio provides booklets.  There is a special icon for it right underneath the cover art on the album page in either app.

Spotted Horses

Quote from: DavidW on May 20, 2023, 10:15:40 AMYes both Qobuz and Idagio provides booklets.  There is a special icon for it right underneath the cover art on the album page in either app.

I guess I could have guessed that, since I've sometimes purchased from he qobuz download store and booklets are sometimes available. But it seems like you have a good change of getting the booklet for a new release. Older releases seem to be missing the booklet, more times than not.

I'm keeping Apple Music for other reasons. Adding Qobuz for booklets seems like too much money for a marginal gain.
There are simply two kinds of music, good music and the other kind. - Duke Ellington

Madiel

Yes, booklets are another thing, like metadata, where newer albums that have been added since streaming became common tend to do better than things that were part of the initial data dump.

Booklets are indeed another reason why I will keep buying discs for things that I want to be part of my library. Not a company's library.
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Papy Oli

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Quote from: Spotted Horses on May 20, 2023, 04:48:16 PMI'm keeping Apple Music for other reasons. Adding Qobuz for booklets seems like too much money for a marginal gain.

You can access and download the available booklets on Qobuz, Idagio and Presto just by having an account (e.g.free service or  from a trial period) without an active streaming subscription.

Edit: that is via their respective webplayers or desktop apps.
Olivier

Madiel

I sometimes get booklets from Naxos Music as well (account through the local library system). I don't think I've ever used them for listening!
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DavidW

Quote from: Papy Oli on May 21, 2023, 12:53:19 AMYou can access and download the available booklets on Qobuz, Idagio and Presto just by having an account (e.g.free service or  from a trial period) without an active streaming subscription.

Edit: that is via their respective webplayers or desktop apps.

Oh clever, clever!

Spotted Horses

Thanks for the comments. Now that it was mentioned, I see that I can get booklets from Qobuz based on having an account that I use for their download store. Useful for future reference, but not in the current instance because the recording I am currently streaming, Kupiec's collection of Bacewicz Piano Music on Hanssler, does not have a booklet on qobuz (or anywhere else, that I can see). Not unexpected since it is an older release.

That motivation for getting qobuz on top of Apple Music is gone. But the other nuisance is that Apple Music wants to send output to whatever I have selected as the operating system's sound output (built in speakers, external DAC, etc). It doesn't seem to allow me to direct its output somewhere else, so the little operating sounds (beeps and clicks for opening folders, etc) go along with the music. That is not ideal.
There are simply two kinds of music, good music and the other kind. - Duke Ellington

Wanderer

Quote from: Madiel on May 21, 2023, 05:30:45 AMI sometimes get booklets from Naxos Music as well (account through the local library system). I don't think I've ever used them for listening!

Regarding Chandos releases, their booklets are freely available in their website.