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Re: Ravel's Rotunda
« Reply #320 on: November 07, 2020, 07:57:19 PM »
Ozawa I agree is very good. When I stopped last time, I was partway through Dutoit. He often struck me as a little bit too slick.

I can't remember which Boulez is earlier - Sony or DG? I'm yet to try the DG.

Boulez’s earlier Ravel on Sony is my favorite. I agree with you about Dutoit, although I still rate his Daphnis et Chloé quite highly.
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« Reply #321 on: November 07, 2020, 08:07:57 PM »
Boulez’s earlier Ravel on Sony is my favorite. I agree with you about Dutoit, although I still rate his Daphnis et Chloé quite highly.

Yes I  have the Daphnis already, Dutoit's style works there.

I'm afraid I didn't like Boulez on Sony. I can't tell you precisely why because my notes aren't that detailed, but I just wasn't responding to the performances I tried. I do recall seeing that some people absolutely love them and some don't. *shrug* There's an option for everyone.
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Re: Ravel's Rotunda
« Reply #322 on: November 07, 2020, 10:00:12 PM »
Yes I  have the Daphnis already, Dutoit's style works there.

I'm afraid I didn't like Boulez on Sony. I can't tell you precisely why because my notes aren't that detailed, but I just wasn't responding to the performances I tried. I do recall seeing that some people absolutely love them and some don't. *shrug* There's an option for everyone.

I’m a huge fan of Boulez (both composer and conductor), so I really shouldn’t let my bias affect my own judgment of his performances, but he’s completely at home in Debussy, Ravel, the Second Viennese School, Bartók, etc. Sounds like you might want to stick with Ozawa.
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Re: Ravel's Rotunda
« Reply #323 on: November 08, 2020, 12:59:40 AM »
"early" (1960s - 1970s) Boulez is preferred by many in  most of the rep he did twice (or more) as it's usually more "modernist", edgier. But the sound quality is usually not as good as the later DG and some pieces might appear a little "dry". I cannot compared in the case of Ravel (as I have only the early ones here) but for some other pieces, like Bartok and Stravinsky I have some of his earlier and some of the later ones. Most listeners would probably agree that in his "home ground" as the composers just mentioned by mirror image, any Boulez is worth at least a try.
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Re: Ravel's Rotunda
« Reply #324 on: November 08, 2020, 07:18:38 AM »
"early" (1960s - 1970s) Boulez is preferred by many in  most of the rep he did twice (or more) as it's usually more "modernist", edgier. But the sound quality is usually not as good as the later DG and some pieces might appear a little "dry". I cannot compared in the case of Ravel (as I have only the early ones here) but for some other pieces, like Bartok and Stravinsky I have some of his earlier and some of the later ones. Most listeners would probably agree that in his "home ground" as the composers just mentioned by mirror image, any Boulez is worth at least a try.

I own the newer remastered set of Boulez’s Ravel on Sony and think the sound quality is really good. Outstanding? No, but there’s a good bit of warmth here, which makes it even more inviting.
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Re: Ravel's Rotunda
« Reply #325 on: November 08, 2020, 08:46:58 AM »
I own the newer remastered set of Boulez’s Ravel on Sony and think the sound quality is really good. Outstanding? No, but there’s a good bit of warmth here, which makes it even more inviting.

Good to see you posting again John - I've missed your contributions. I've always thought that Boulez was a great conductor of Debussy and Ravel.
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Re: Ravel's Rotunda
« Reply #326 on: November 08, 2020, 11:38:18 AM »
Good to see you posting again John - I've missed your contributions. I've always thought that Boulez was a great conductor of Debussy and Ravel.

Thanks a lot, Jeffrey. Yes, indeed. Boulez is fantastic and I know his own music isn’t your cup of tea, but I can’t believe I’ve found myself so taken with it considering if you asked me to even listen any of his own music 7-8 years ago, I would’ve laughed at the idea.
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Re: Ravel's Rotunda
« Reply #327 on: March 07, 2021, 06:50:12 AM »
Happy 146th Birthday, Monsieur Ravel!
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« Reply #328 on: March 07, 2021, 07:09:50 AM »
Oh, nice. Didn't know about that. I've really gotten into Ravel's music during the past year or so.

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« Reply #329 on: March 07, 2021, 07:29:04 AM »
Oh, nice. Didn't know about that. I've really gotten into Ravel's music during the past year or so.

Fantastic to read! What have you heard that have caught your ears thus far? Any particular favorites? Any works that have been a bit difficult for you to appreciate?
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« Reply #330 on: March 07, 2021, 11:13:56 AM »
Ma Mere l'oye, Bolero, Le Tombeau, Pavane are my favourite orchestral pieces. I love Piano Trio and various solo piano pieces. Not the biggest fan of the Spanish pieces.

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« Reply #331 on: March 07, 2021, 08:14:59 PM »
Ma Mere l'oye, Bolero, Le Tombeau, Pavane are my favourite orchestral pieces. I love Piano Trio and various solo piano pieces. Not the biggest fan of the Spanish pieces.

Ah, well you see I love the Spanish works as they do something a bit different and they often sound like Spanish music filtered through that Ravelian lens that we all know. The Piano Trio is a masterpiece without a doubt. Le Tombeau de Couperin is remarkable, especially the original solo piano work, which what I listen to most these days. My favorite work, if pushed into a corner, would be Miroirs. I think this work encapsulates everything that is remarkable about the composer. Even when he was writing for solo piano, the whole piano was treated like an orchestra of sorts. I should revisit that ‘Top 5 Favorite Ravel Works’ thread and post an updated list. I mean a ‘Top 5’ list could change day-by-day for me, especially since I adore this composer’s music.
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Re: Ravel's Rotunda
« Reply #332 on: March 07, 2021, 09:09:16 PM »
Ah, well you see I love the Spanish works as they do something a bit different and they often sound like Spanish music filtered through that Ravelian lens that we all know.

Some of the most famous "Spanish" works are by non-Spanish composers (and not necessarily authentically Spanish):

Rhapsody Espagnol
Carmen
Espana
Capriccio Espagnol
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« Reply #333 on: March 07, 2021, 09:20:58 PM »
Some of the most famous "Spanish" works are by non-Spanish composers (and not necessarily authentically Spanish):

Rhapsody Espagnol
Carmen
Espana
Capriccio Espagnol
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That’s true and I’m sure there many more.
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Re: Ravel's Rotunda
« Reply #334 on: March 07, 2021, 09:24:01 PM »
That’s true and I’m sure there many more.
Yeah, Symphonie Espagnole for instance.

But back to Ravel, I am in the mood for several versions of Gaspard back to back!

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« Reply #335 on: June 20, 2021, 10:10:17 AM »
This was a 2 euro used cd purchase and what a marvellous disk this is. Bolero, Rapsodie, Alborada are revelatory to me. Wonderful sound too. I'm yet to listen to the rest of this disk, but it has already become one of my favourite Ravel disks that I have in my collection.


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« Reply #336 on: June 20, 2021, 02:04:27 PM »
This was a 2 euro used cd purchase and what a marvellous disk this is. Bolero, Rapsodie, Alborada are revelatory to me. Wonderful sound too. I'm yet to listen to the rest of this disk, but it has already become one of my favourite Ravel disks that I have in my collection.



Looks awesome! I have several recordings of Ravel's orchestral music, but there is something special about the Ormandy/Philadelphia sound, that I think would be perfect for this music.