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Re: Six symphonies where the final movement is the best.
« Reply #60 on: October 16, 2015, 03:01:28 PM »
I agree about all the others but don't know the Mozart well enough to comment.  :o

Get thee to the Jupiter, pronto! Seriously, that last movement is terrific.

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Re: Six symphonies where the final movement is the best.
« Reply #61 on: October 16, 2015, 03:03:28 PM »
Get thee to the Jupiter, pronto! Seriously, that last movement is terrific.

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Re: Six symphonies where the final movement is the best.
« Reply #62 on: October 16, 2015, 03:58:55 PM »
I would actually say the second movement is on par with the fourth of Mozart's 41st....but those are two of my favourite symphonic movements ever composed so I had to mention it. 8)

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Re: Six symphonies where the final movement is the best.
« Reply #63 on: October 16, 2015, 06:14:39 PM »
I would actually say the second movement is on par with the fourth of Mozart's 41st....but those are two of my favourite symphonic movements ever composed so I had to mention it. 8)
No argument from me.  That Andante cantabile is truly some of the loveliest music ever. ;D
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Re: Six symphonies where the final movement is the best.
« Reply #64 on: October 17, 2015, 01:16:37 AM »
yes, the andante is also great it's the first and 3rd mvmts of #41 that feel somewhat generic (of course still on a very high level - "standard" mature Mozart is still better than a lot of other artist's supreme efforts) compared to e.g. the ones from 39 and especially 40. Maybe Mozart wrote a slightly bland first movement on purpose so that the great finale would really shine...
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Re: Six symphonies where the final movement is the best.
« Reply #65 on: October 17, 2015, 01:25:03 AM »
yes, the andante is also great it's the first and 3rd mvmts of #41 that feel somewhat generic (of course still on a very high level - "standard" mature Mozart is still better than a lot of other artist's supreme efforts) compared to e.g. the ones from 39 and especially 40. Maybe Mozart wrote a slightly bland first movement on purpose so that the great finale would really shine...

I actually find the first and third movements of 41 to be much more interesting than all of no. 40...and all of his other symphonies. And all of Haydn's and Beethoven's symphonies too whilst I'm at it!

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Re: Six symphonies where the final movement is the best.
« Reply #66 on: October 21, 2015, 08:52:49 AM »
Brahms 1
Dvorak 9
Sibelius 6
Mahler 4
Mahler 5 (don't care yet much for the other movements, in fact)
Haydn 45 or Beethoven 5
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Re: Six symphonies where the final movement is the best.
« Reply #67 on: December 03, 2015, 05:59:25 AM »
+ C.V. Stanford symphonies 3 and 5.

Vaughan Williams: 'A Sea Symphony' by far the best movement.
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Re: Six symphonies where the final movement is the best.
« Reply #68 on: September 27, 2017, 08:23:30 PM »
Sibelius 5
Mahler 1/3/9
Tchaikovsky 6
Rachmaninoff 1
Braga Santos 4
Tubin 4
 
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Re: Six symphonies where the final movement is the best.
« Reply #69 on: September 28, 2017, 03:05:46 PM »
I'm very sure about these ones:

Brahms 4
Bruckner 9
Glière 3
Mahler 2
Saint-Saëns 3
Sibelius 2

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Re: Six symphonies where the final movement is the best.
« Reply #70 on: August 05, 2020, 01:34:58 PM »
Trying to avoid ones that have already been mentioned:

Atterberg 3
Bax 7
L. Glass 5
Goldmark Rustic Wedding
Parry 3
Rachmaninoff 1
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Re: Six symphonies where the final movement is the best.
« Reply #71 on: August 05, 2020, 02:18:02 PM »
Haydn 82
Schumann 4
Brahms 3
Bruckner 1, 5
Mahler 9

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Re: Six symphonies where the final movement is the best.
« Reply #72 on: August 05, 2020, 04:17:37 PM »
Updating...

Elgar 1
Holmboe 8
Mahler 6
Nielsen 4
Raid 1
Steinberg 2
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Re: Six symphonies where the final movement is the best.
« Reply #73 on: August 05, 2020, 09:11:00 PM »
Updating...

Elgar 1
Holmboe 8
Mahler 6
Nielsen 4
Raid 1
Steinberg 2
Great choices Cesar and nice to see the Steinberg included with its 'tolling bell' redemptive conclusion. I'd totally forgotten that I started this thread  ::)
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Re: Six symphonies where the final movement is the best.
« Reply #74 on: August 06, 2020, 01:43:18 AM »
Gliere: Symphony 3 'Ilya Muromets'
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Re: Six symphonies where the final movement is the best.
« Reply #75 on: August 06, 2020, 04:22:35 AM »
Bruckner 4
Shostakovich 4, 15
Sibelius 7
Prokofiev 7
RVW 9
Mahler 2

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Re: Six symphonies where the final movement is the best.
« Reply #76 on: August 06, 2020, 06:58:53 AM »
Bruckner 4
Shostakovich 4, 15
Sibelius 7
Prokofiev 7
RVW 9
Mahler 2
With VW Symphony No.9 the first and especially the last movements are the best.
+1 for both Shostakovich symphonies as well.
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Re: Six symphonies where the final movement is the best.
« Reply #77 on: July 18, 2021, 04:30:23 AM »
Let me see (again  ::))

Vaughan Williams: A Sea Symphony
Bax: Symphony No.3
Rootham: Symphony No.2
Moroi: Symphony 3
Sibelius: Symphony No.3
Rubbra: Symphony 7
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Re: Six symphonies where the final movement is the best.
« Reply #78 on: July 18, 2021, 05:12:52 AM »
Let me see (again  ::))

Vaughan Williams: A Sea Symphony
Bax: Symphony No.3
Rootham: Symphony No.2
Moroi: Symphony 3
Sibelius: Symphony No.3
Rubbra: Symphony 7

One thing I am struggling with from your list is RVW Sea Symphony.  Not because the final movement isn't wonderful but part of what makes it so wonderful is it's the powerful and transcendent culmination of what preceded it. It's such a natural and mature transition from the other works that I see it as the culmination of the other movements, something very rare.  Not that it isn't the best but it's even greater when heard in its contextual totality. 

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Re: Six symphonies where the final movement is the best.
« Reply #79 on: July 18, 2021, 05:18:51 AM »
One thing I am struggling with from your list is RVW Sea Symphony.  Not because the final movement isn't wonderful but part of what makes it so wonderful is it's the powerful and transcendent culmination of what preceded it. It's such a natural and mature transition from the other works that I see it as the culmination of the other movements, something very rare.  Not that it isn't the best but it's even greater when heard in its contextual totality.

I remember a member here telling me something similar about Mahler’s Das Lied von der Erde. It’s a work that must be heard in its entirety to understand how it all comes together. And my response was that I didn’t care. If I want to play Der Abschied, which is one of Mahler’s most compelling musical utterances, and that’s all I want to listen to, then I will. One doesn’t need context to enjoy a piece of music in purely abstract terms. I don’t care what anyone else says. The same applies with Vaughan Williams’ A Sea Symphony. I never liked this piece, but I think the last movement is miraculous and worth the price of admission.
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