Piano concertos with orchestral piano

[Maestro267]

Something I'm curious about. Are there any piano concertos (or other works for solo piano and orchestra) that include a second piano as part of the orchestral forces?

[pjme]

I think of Leonard Bernstein's second symphony The age of anxiety. Solo piano + tackpiano (or pianino?) in the orchestra.
There may be more examples...

Execellent performance with Krystian Zimerman and Bernstein / London / Barbican 1986! : https://youtu.be/Q-aU2Se1RHw



Peter

[Brian]

Peter Dickinson's piano concerto. It's one of those style-mashup type pieces where the musical language keeps twisting and turning, and one of the twists is, an orchestral piano suddenly bursts out into a full-on ragtime piece that's 4 minutes long. Almost unfair to give by far the most fun part to the orchestra member (the soloist tinkles in some dissonant notes around the edges).

[Monsieur Croche]

Morton Feldman -- Piano & Orchestra, (1975)

A concertante work, nonetheless with the piano soloist distinct as soloist. The piano in the orchestra is sometimes very blended with the orchestra, at other times so fused with the solo piano that any distinct 'two piano sound' is obscured.

The full piece can be found on Youtube in two links.

[Dax]

Carla Bley's 3/4 fits the bill.

[Monsieur Croche]

adding:


Kevin Volans: Piano Concerto No. 3 [2013]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVAsc3zWICQ

[CRMS]

Bohuslav Martinu wrote 5 piano concerti, none of which I am currently familiar with, but if they are like any of his other works, they will include a piano in the orchestration.

[pjme]

As far as I could check ( Schott) none of the pîanoconcertos has an orchestral piano.... The very modestly scored concerto for harpsichord however, does have a prominent pianopart. A very lovely score btw.



You Tube : https://youtu.be/kQP-a2lxelQ



P.

[EigenUser]

Ives 4? Doesn't it require like 4 pianos to perform (one of them being a major solo part)?

[Mirror Image]

He lives! Nate! Where you've been?!?!?

[Monsieur Croche]

Ives 4? Doesn't it require like 4 pianos to perform (one of them being a major solo part)?

This symphony is not in any way a concerto, but good call, nonetheless.

From Wiki's list of its instrumentation:
"orchestral piano (4 hands), quarter tone piano (usually realized as two pianos tuned a quarter tone apart), solo piano, organ"

Even if that quarter tone piano was one keyboard [they exist but are extremely rare,] that looks like three separate piano roles, at any rate a minimum of two to cover the normally tuned and the quarter-tone pianos.

Without directly consulting the score it is not known if if the four-hand piano part and solo piano play simultaneously; if those two never sound simultaneously, one piano would be used for both the four-hand and solo parts.

[Luke]

This symphony is not in any way a concerto, but good call, nonetheless.

From Wiki's list of its instrumentation:
"orchestral piano (4 hands), quarter tone piano (usually realized as two pianos tuned a quarter tone apart), solo piano, organ"

Even if that quarter tone piano was one keyboard [those exist, and are extremely rare,] that looks like three separate piano roles, at any rate a minimum of two to cover the normally tuned and the quarter-tone pianos.

Without directly consulting the score to see if the four-hand piano part plays simultaneously with the solo piano; if those two never sound simultaneously, one piano would be used for the four-hand and the solo parts.

Checking out the score, it seems that wouldn't be the case, although it could easily have been. The solo piano is only in the first movement; the orchestral piano (4 hands), the quarter tone piano, the celesta and the organ (and the quarter tone 'ether organ') are only in the other movements. However Ives asked for the solo and orchestral pianos to be different instruments, widely spaced apart. See attached screen-grabs for more. Score available to view here http://issuu.com/scoresondemand/docs/symphony_no_4_perf_ed_47475

[Luke]

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[Monsieur Croche]

Checking out the score, it seems that wouldn't be the case, although it could easily have been. The solo piano is only in the first movement; the orchestral piano (4 hands), the quarter tone piano, the celesta and the organ (and the quarter tone 'ether organ') are only in the other movements. However Ives asked for the solo and orchestral pianos to be different instruments, widely spaced apart. See attached screen-grabs for more. Score available to view here http://issuu.com/scoresondemand/docs/symphony_no_4_perf_ed_47475

Thanks. Evidently it seems "Ether Organ," is "a reference to one of Leon Theremin's instruments (formerly thought to be the "space controlled" Theremin instrument, but now believed to be his Keyboard Harmonium)." ~ Wiki.