What is Your Political Orientation?

Started by Florestan, January 02, 2023, 12:21:48 PM

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What is Your Political Orientation?

Far Left
2 (10%)
Left
6 (30%)
Center-Left
5 (25%)
Centrist
4 (20%)
Center-Right
2 (10%)
Right
1 (5%)
Far Right
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 19

Jo498

Hardly anyone would have considered most of this "far right". Many Soviet/socialist posters (or murals) have traditional looking males/females, even if they might not always stress the nuclear family and more women might be shown as working non-household/care jobs. The current fads (or worse) are not uprooting some narrow political/societal position. They try to uproot stuff that was common to virtually every human culture and very probably to a large extent fixed by nature herself.
Similarly, although this is of course something more historically contingent, "nationalism" in the weak sense of a positive stance towards ones nation, its culture and history and "preferential" treatment of full citizens vs. guests/foreigners was simply the normal thing. Again, even the Soviets spoke of friendship of peoples, NOT about dissolving all peoples into a new order (although these ideas certainly existed long ago).
One reason why the cheap talk about "integration" of ever more immigrants rings so hollow is that on the one hand, many Western countries have hollowed out and distanced themselves from their specific culture and history (for fear of appearing exclusive or nationalist) and on the other, many immigrants from the Balkan or Near East come from traditions that are for all kinds of reasons (sometimes a need for survival, e.g. Kurds never had their own country) far more "tribalist" than most Western Europeans have been for decades or centuries. Of course they will stick to their ways, it's perfectly understandable and in some sense even commendable (although oa Westerner might disagree sharply with the content of some traditions). But it's clear that there will not be an integration of strongly tribalist groups into a culture that has weakened their national identity (at least in explicit features, there are many subtle ones remaining) for decades. And then one gets tribal skirmishes between e.g. Turks and Kurds in Germany...
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Florestan

Quote from: 71 dB on January 06, 2023, 03:10:18 AMAndrew Tate

Don't know if you are aware of it but Andrew Tate and his brother Tristan has been recently arrested in Romania, where they settled a few years ago, on charges of human trafficking and organized crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Tate#Human_trafficking_investigation_and_detention
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Florestan

Quote from: 71 dB on January 06, 2023, 03:10:18 AMWe "lack" true socialists and communists

We have at least one communist, actually.
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71 dB

Quote from: Florestan on January 06, 2023, 03:48:44 AMDon't know if you are aware of it but Andrew Tate and his brother Tristan has been recently arrested in Romania, where they settled a few years ago, on charges of human trafficking and organized crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Tate#Human_trafficking_investigation_and_detention


Of course I am aware of that. Who isn't?  :o
That's why I mentioned his name. It is fresh in my mind!
Hopefully Romanian justice system locks this human filth away for a loooong time!

Quote from: Florestan on January 06, 2023, 04:06:27 AMWe have at least one communist, actually.


Who obviously hasn't participated this poll!
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Todd

Quote from: Jo498 on January 06, 2023, 03:24:01 AMSimilarly, although this is of course something more historically contingent, "nationalism" in the weak sense of a positive stance towards ones nation, its culture and history and "preferential" treatment of full citizens vs. guests/foreigners was simply the normal thing.

The better term is patriotism.  It's alive and well.  In the US, some on the "left" (eg, Ro Khanna) are trying to popularize the phrase "economic patriotism", for instance. There's nothing wrong with patriotism.  There's nothing wrong with nationalism, or at least it's no worse than globalism.  Until nation states cease to be the primary large scale organizing political entity, which will only happen via war, patriotism and nationalism will exist.  Even if nation states disappear, reactionary patriotism and nationalism will exist.  Citizens of the world are rare birds.
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Florestan

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Quote from: 71 dB on January 06, 2023, 04:12:28 AMOf course I am aware of that. Who isn't?  :o
That's why I mentioned his name. It is fresh in my mind!
Hopefully Romanian justice system locks this human filth away for a loooong time!

We'll see. The charges are organized crime, meaning 1 to 5 years and human trafficking, meaning 3 to 10 years. If they will be found guilty of both charges, they will be sentenced for each charge but will serve only the longest sentence, not both of them cummulated, this being the Romanian criminal justice system. Moreover, they can be released on parole after serving at least half of the sentence. So don't hope they will rot in Dracula's dungeon.

Besides, they are US citizens. I'd be very surprised if pressure form the USA for their extradition would not take place.

QuoteWho obviously hasn't participated this poll!

Obviously.
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71 dB

Quote from: Florestan on January 06, 2023, 04:41:07 AMWe'll see. The charges are organized crime, meaning 1 to 5 years and human trafficking, meaning 3 to 10 years. If they will be found guilty of both charges, they will be sentenced for each charge but will serve only the longest sentence, not both of them cummulated, this being the Romanian criminal justice system. Moreover, they can be released on parole after serving at least half of the sentence. So don't hope they will rot in Dracula's dungeon.

Besides, they are US citizens. I'd be very surprised if pressure form the USA for their extradition would not take place.

Damn. I was hoping for a much longer sentence... ...20 years for example. Well at least Greta Thundberg humiliated Andrew Tate completely on social media.  ;D
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Quote from: Florestan on January 06, 2023, 04:41:07 AMWe'll see. The charges are organized crime, meaning 1 to 5 years and human trafficking, meaning 3 to 10 years. If they will be found guilty of both charges, they will be sentenced for each charge but will serve only the longest sentence, not both of them cummulated, this being the Romanian criminal justice system. Moreover, they can be released on parole after serving at least half of the sentence. So don't hope they will rot in Dracula's dungeon.

Besides, they are US citizens. I'd be very surprised if pressure form the USA for their extradition would not take place.

Obviously.

That last will require an influential political bloc to want him out. Otherwise, tough nookies. As Paul Whelan can tell you.

I believe what sometimes happens in this sort of case, the individual is returned to the US with the proviso that they serve out the rest of their sentence in an American prison.

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Florestan

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Quote from: JBS on January 06, 2023, 12:20:21 PMThat last will require an influential political bloc to want him out. Otherwise, tough nookies. As Paul Whelan can tell you.

I believe what sometimes happens in this sort of case, the individual is returned to the US with the proviso that they serve out the rest of their sentence in an American prison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teo_Peter

When Todd is right he is right: the US can disregard the international law or the national law of any country they choose to disregard.  ;D

As different from Poju, I entertain no thought that the Tate brothers will serve for long in a Romanian prison.
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71 dB

Quote from: JBS on January 06, 2023, 12:20:21 PMI believe what sometimes happens in this sort of case, the individual is returned to the US with the proviso that they serve out the rest of their sentence in an American prison.

Considering how American prisons are chances are mr Tate would rather suffer his sentence in full in a Romanian prison...
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Quote from: 71 dB on January 06, 2023, 01:30:21 PMConsidering how American prisons are chances are mr Tate would rather suffer his sentence in full in a Romanian prison...

If one has enough money and political influence,a Romanian prison, while not quite a spa, is not a dungeon either.
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JBS

Quote from: Florestan on January 06, 2023, 12:32:19 PMhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teo_Peter

When Todd is right he is right: the US can disregard the international law or the national law of any country they choose to disregard.  ;D

As different from Poju, I entertain no thought that the Tate brothers will serve for long in a Romanian prison.

I don't recall the names of the people involved, but there's been at least one similar case of a European diplomat escaping prosecution here and another in the UK.

And I note that the man responsible for Mr Peter's death was convicted on some charges in a US court, and the nature of the charges and the brief Wikipedia narrative suggest to me that the BAC tests and other forensics were screwed up enough (by the criminal, it would seem) to make conviction in any court of the homicide charge unlikely.

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greg

Quote from: 71 dB on January 06, 2023, 04:12:28 AMOf course I am aware of that. Who isn't?  :o
The only thing I've seen from him is his Pierce Morgan interviews, and he actually seems quite reasonable, though I know nothing besides that about him so couldn't comment.

The only reason people like him gain popularity is due to the current anti-masculinity sentiment. If you apply excessive force in one area, it will cause a reaction for the other side. If that force didn't exist, people like him would not gain popularity. It's wild that people actually pay for his courses, but it is a natural result.
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SimonNZ

Quote from: greg on January 06, 2023, 02:15:58 PMThe only reason people like him gain popularity is due to the current anti-masculinity sentiment. If you apply excessive force in one area, it will cause a reaction for the other side. If that force didn't exist, people like him would not gain popularity. It's wild that people actually pay for his courses, but it is a natural result.

You need to get offline, get off your incel-adjacent chat groups, and meet real people in the real world, particularly real women.


greg

Quote from: SimonNZ on January 06, 2023, 03:16:23 PMYou need to get offline, get off your incel-adjacent chat groups, and meet real people in the real world, particularly real women.
"incel-adjacent chat groups"
huh?
Wagie wagie get back in the cagie

DavidW