Was Richard Wagner the John T. Williams of his time?

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Monsieur Croche

Was Richard Wagner the John T. Williams of his time?
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ZauberdrachenNr.7

Not even close. John T. Williams is not even John T. Williams - he's a photocopy of real composers like Korngold, Elgar, & Rozsa.

mc ukrneal

All I know is that they were both better than Stravinsky!
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Karl Henning

Quote from: Monsieur Croche on January 19, 2016, 04:05:37 PM
Was Richard Wagner the John T. Williams of his time?
If only Wagner's libretti had been half as good as Lucas's scripts ....
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Monsieur Croche

Quote from: karlhenning on January 19, 2016, 04:36:26 PM
If only Wagner's libretti had been half as good as Lucas's scripts....

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mc ukrneal

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Brian

Quote from: karlhenning on January 19, 2016, 04:36:26 PM
If only Wagner's libretti had been half as good as Lucas's scripts ....

WOTAN: I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere.

ComposerOfAvantGarde

Quote from: Monsieur Croche on January 19, 2016, 04:05:37 PM
Was Richard Wagner the John T. Williams of his time?
Lolwut.....Wagner was skilled at understanding and imitating certain styles of music but was certainly not contracted to do it by major stage directors and playwrights of his day. :)

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: Monsieur Croche on January 19, 2016, 04:05:37 PM
Was Richard Wagner the John T. Williams of his time?

Would it make any difference if you dropped the middle initial?
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Karl Henning

Quote from: mc ukrneal on January 19, 2016, 04:32:03 PM
All I know is that they were both better than Stravinsky!

I am not angry, Neal, only a little hurt.   8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

mc ukrneal

Quote from: karlhenning on January 19, 2016, 05:35:50 PM
I am not angry, Neal, only a little hurt.   8)
It was a trollish question, so it doesn't really mean anything...
Be kind to your fellow posters!!

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Monsieur Croche

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Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on January 19, 2016, 05:34:32 PM
Would it make any difference if you dropped the middle initial?

There is a John Williams who is widely known by many involved with classical, well respected, and had a major repute long before the film composer came to prominence as the composer of the Star Wars soundtracks....
There are a number of classical fans who, when they see the name "John Williams," immediately first think, "the classical guitarist."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Williams_%28guitarist%29
~ I'm all for personal expression; it just has to express something to me. ~

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: Monsieur Croche on January 19, 2016, 05:48:17 PM
Widely known by many involved with classical, and well respected, long before the film composer came to prominence as the composer of the Star Wars soundtracks....
There are a number of classical fans who, when they see the name "John Williams," immediately first think, "the classical guitarist."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Williams_%28guitarist%29

Ah. That was my problem. I was thinking of Richard Wagner the German lute player.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

springrite

Quote from: karlhenning on January 19, 2016, 05:35:50 PM
I am not angry, Neal, only a little hurt.   8)

"hurt" is anger without the necessary enthusiasm.
Do what I must do, and let what must happen happen.

Marsch MacFiercesome





Williams' pastiche has some some good Sith in his Game of Clones.

But when it comes to Leitmotiv, Wagner rides Solo.
Easier slayed than done. Is anyone shocked that I won?

amw

Quote from: Brian on January 19, 2016, 04:49:36 PM
WOTAN: I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere.
On the other hand, Fafner turning out to be Siegfried's father would probably be a better plot twist.

ComposerOfAvantGarde

Quote from: amw on January 19, 2016, 06:47:17 PM
On the other hand, Fafner turning out to be Siegfried's father would probably be a better plot twist.
Lol, Fafner effectively DID turn to the dark side after stealing the ring for himself, didn't he?

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: karlhenning on January 19, 2016, 04:36:26 PM
If only Wagner's libretti had been half as good as Lucas's scripts ....

Quite the contrary, Die Meistersinger has a superb libretto. Until that is it goes off the rails in the final scene, I mean the mean-spirited treatment of Beckmesser.

I felt when seeing Tannhauser recently however that its libretto really, really sucked.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Monsieur Croche

Quote from: springrite on January 19, 2016, 06:07:42 PM
"hurt" is anger without the necessary enthusiasm.

Lol... hurt more than a little implies disappointment in the one who caused the hurt.

Of course, most people know that Stravinsky's ouevre is worth more than the total of all the works of Richard Wagner and John T. Williams combined.  :)
~ I'm all for personal expression; it just has to express something to me. ~