Debussy vs Ravel

Started by Jaakko Keskinen, June 23, 2016, 08:11:16 AM

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The superior composer is...

Debussy
20 (48.8%)
Ravel
21 (51.2%)

Total Members Voted: 38

Jaakko Keskinen

The great Impressionists (forgive me, Claude, for using that term)!

My vote is for Debussy.
"Javert, though frightful, had nothing ignoble about him. Probity, sincerity, candor, conviction, the sense of duty, are things which may become hideous when wrongly directed; but which, even when hideous, remain grand."

- Victor Hugo

Jaakko Keskinen

Damn, that one time I forget to use the search-command.   :(
"Javert, though frightful, had nothing ignoble about him. Probity, sincerity, candor, conviction, the sense of duty, are things which may become hideous when wrongly directed; but which, even when hideous, remain grand."

- Victor Hugo

Karl Henning

Quote from: Alberich on June 23, 2016, 08:34:00 AM
Damn, that one time I forget to use the search-command.   :(

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nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Ken B


Mirror Image

Ravel on the strength of his ballets, piano concertos, song cycles, Piano Trio, Violin Sonata, and L'enfant et les sortileges. I do admire Debussy a lot, though, and who, in my opinion, composed some of the most remarkable chamber music of the 20th Century.

(poco) Sforzando

Both are remarkable but very different; the only reason to lump Maurice together with the great Claude (who got my vote because of his greater originality) is that they lived at the same time. But Ken is all wet about the composer of La Mer.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

jochanaan

This poll asks a truly "Unanswered Question."  Debussy is perhaps the more fiery genius; yet Ravel has greater technical ability and range... ???
Imagination + discipline = creativity


Scion7

Well, Debussy has made more of a mark on musical history than Ravel.
Ravel's stuff is very nice and I like all the instrumental pieces he wrote, and of course, his orchestration for R-K's Pictures.
But he didn't really tread "new" territory the way Debussy did.
When, a few months before his death, Rachmaninov lamented that he no longer had the "strength and fire" to compose, friends reminded him of the Symphonic Dances, so charged with fire and strength. "Yes," he admitted. "I don't know how that happened. That was probably my last flicker."

kishnevi

From most composers I get ear fatigue after two or three CDs in a row. Some composers only one CD. Then I need to change to a different sonic universe.

A select group of composers do not affect me this way. I can pretty much listen to them all day long:. Beethoven Bach Mozart Haydn....Debussy as well, but not Ravel.

So I voted Debussy.

The new erato

Very different composers. I think Debussy is the more remarkable genius, but for actual listening I tend to favor Ravel. So I would vote for both, depending upon what's the real issue here.

Madiel

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Quote from: Scion7 on July 13, 2016, 06:57:19 PM
But he didn't really tread "new" territory the way Debussy did.

So people say. But Ravel was actually quite annoyed about a couple of instances where Debussy received credit for something that Ravel had already done.

For instance, he publicly took issue with the critic Lalo, who peddled the line that Debussy was the one who had created a wholly original piano style, and pointed out that Jeux d'eau was written before Debussy's greatest piano pieces.
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Autumn Leaves

Think this is a really close race - both have excellent Orchestral pieces, Chamber Music and Songs. I prefer Ravel's Opera to Debussy's. Ravel wrote some excellent Piano Music but I think Debussy's is of a higher standard overall and I do believe theres more of it than Ravel's?.
I am quite fond of Piano Music so for this Poll I would probably put Debussy as the winner just ahead of Ravel by the slightest of margins :)

TheGSMoeller

Ravel wrote La Valse, so he gets my vote.

The new erato

My definitely least favorite Ravel work.

kishnevi

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on July 16, 2016, 01:04:01 AM
Ravel wrote La Valse, so he gets my vote.

Your avatar just about sums up my feelings about La Valse and Bolero

TheGSMoeller

Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on July 16, 2016, 09:40:34 AM
Your avatar just about sums up my feelings about La Valse and Bolero

Don't be frightened.  0:)

Marc


Sergeant Rock

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on July 16, 2016, 01:04:01 AM
Ravel wrote La Valse, so he gets my vote.

If I were voting, that would be a major reason to pick Ravel. But I really can't choose between the two composers. I tried, I really tried, but I can't  ;D

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

ComposerOfAvantGarde

Ultimately I picked Debussy because I prefer his piano music to Ravel's.