Schumann’s Cello Concerto

Started by aligreto, June 24, 2016, 09:05:59 AM

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aligreto

Schumann's Cello Concerto is one that I like and return to. It is not in the grand virtuosic style where the soloist is pitted in adversity against the orchestra. Rather it is a sweeping, lyrical work where both soloist and orchestra are in concert throughout the work. It is therefore, I feel, one of the easier concertos to listen to as it has a calmness about it much in contrast to what was soon to happen to the unfortunate Schumann himself.


The recordings that I have in my collection are as follows:

Coin with Orchestre des Champs-Élysées / Herreweghe
Du Pre with New Philharmonia Orchestra / Barenboim
Gastinel with Orchestre Philharmonique de Liege / Langree
Schiff with Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra / Haitink
Starker with London Symphony Orchestra / Skrowaczewski


NikF posted the version by Rostropovich recently.

Any other recommendations or comments would certainly be of interest.

NikF

karlhenning pointed out that in 1963 it was re-orchestrated by Shosty for Rostropovich.
"You overestimate my power of attraction," he told her. "No, I don't," she replied sharply, "and neither do you".

Parsifal

As I posted recently on the general Schumann thread, I recently listened to Starker's 1950's recording with the Philharmonia Orchestra on EMI. I heard the piece live once, but I think this is the first time I have listened to a recording (although I have a few, buried in big box sets). I agree with you that the concerto is very satisfying in that it represents a collaboration between soloist and orchestra, rather than an adversarial contest. Although cello concertos tend to be like that (in contrast to violin and piano concertos).

Parsifal

Quote from: NikF on June 24, 2016, 09:13:12 AM
karlhenning pointed out that in 1963 it was re-orchestrated by Shosty for Rostropovich.

A useful tidbit. Now I am forewarned to avoid Rostropovich's recordings!

NikF

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Quote from: Scarpia on June 24, 2016, 09:15:39 AM
A useful tidbit. Now I am forewarned to avoid Rostropovich's recordings!

The Rostropovich I posted is of the original version - a recording from 1961 with Rozhdestvensky conducting the Leningrad Philharmonic. So perhaps that's an option for you?

e: this one -

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"You overestimate my power of attraction," he told her. "No, I don't," she replied sharply, "and neither do you".

Turner

Should I grab just one among those I´ve got

- Maisky,OrpheusCO/dg 13cd 12 00289 4779524
- Rostropovich,Kondrashin,MosRSO/everest mono sdbr 3391
- Rostropovich,Rozhdestvensky,LenPO/dg 74 2535 112
- Rostropovich,Rozhdestvensky,USSRSO/brill 10cd 92771
- Casals,Ormandy,PradO/cbs 3lp 77363
- Geringas,Foster,LSO/euro lp 79 312470
- Gendron,Ansermet,SuissRom/decca lp mono acl 192

I´d probably go for the early Rostropovich/Kondrashin, quite lively and dualistic.

aligreto

Quote from: Scarpia on June 24, 2016, 09:13:52 AM
As I posted recently on the general Schumann thread, I recently listened to Starker's 1950's recording with the Philharmonia Orchestra on EMI. I heard the piece live once, but I think this is the first time I have listened to a recording (although I have a few, buried in big box sets). I agree with you that the concerto is very satisfying in that it represents a collaboration between soloist and orchestra, rather than an adversarial contest. Although cello concertos tend to be like that (in contrast to violin and piano concertos).

Yes, I like a good cello concerto myself and this is a good one. That is interesting about the Starker / Philharmonia as I like the Philharmonia. Thank you for that.

aligreto

Quote from: NikF on June 24, 2016, 09:22:57 AM
The Rostropovich I posted is of the original version - a recording from 1961 with Rozhdestvensky conducting the Leningrad Philharmonic. So perhaps that's an option for you?

e: this one -

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I have already put that one on my List  :)

aligreto

Quote from: Turner on June 24, 2016, 09:32:41 AM
Should I grab just one among those I´ve got

- Maisky,OrpheusCO/dg 13cd 12 00289 4779524
- Rostropovich,Kondrashin,MosRSO/everest mono sdbr 3391
- Rostropovich,Rozhdestvensky,LenPO/dg 74 2535 112
- Rostropovich,Rozhdestvensky,USSRSO/brill 10cd 92771
- Casals,Ormandy,PradO/cbs 3lp 77363
- Geringas,Foster,LSO/euro lp 79 312470
- Gendron,Ansermet,SuissRom/decca lp mono acl 192

I´d probably go for the early Rostropovich/Kondrashin, quite lively and dualistic.

Interesting list; I must check out the Rostropovich/Kondrashin version. Thank you for that.

Karl Henning

Well, you know . . . while to be sure I do not find any fault with Schumann's own scoring, I find the Shostakovich orchestration a very interesting "meeting of the musical minds."
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
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nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Parsifal

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Quote from: karlhenning on June 24, 2016, 10:31:02 AM
Well, you know . . . while to be sure I do not find any fault with Schumann's own scoring, I find the Shostakovich orchestration a very interesting "meeting of the musical minds."

Sort of like the Looney Tunes  version of Wagner's Ring


:)

In any case, I've been hoping to find time to listen to Fournier's old recording on EMI, 1956 I think.

aligreto

Quote from: Scarpia on June 24, 2016, 11:49:12 AM

In any case, I've been hoping to find time to listen to Fournier's old recording on EMI, 1956 I think.

Oh I never thought of Fournier whom I like and he should be good in this work. Thank you for that.

Parsifal

Quote from: aligreto on June 24, 2016, 01:30:26 PM
Oh I never thought of Fournier whom I like and he should be good in this work. Thank you for that.

I have it here:

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NikF

I now have a CD of the Schiff/Haitink/Berlin, which I'm looking forward to eventually hearing.
"You overestimate my power of attraction," he told her. "No, I don't," she replied sharply, "and neither do you".

aligreto

Quote from: NikF on July 06, 2016, 02:57:18 AM
I now have a CD of the Schiff/Haitink/Berlin, which I'm looking forward to eventually hearing.

I would be interested to know what you think of it when you eventually get to listen to it.

NikF

Quote from: aligreto on July 06, 2016, 08:55:13 AM
I would be interested to know what you think of it when you eventually get to listen to it.

Oh, I'll certainly post my thoughts after I've listened. Just keep in mind I have little to compare it with.  ;D
"You overestimate my power of attraction," he told her. "No, I don't," she replied sharply, "and neither do you".

aligreto

Quote from: NikF on July 06, 2016, 09:07:49 AM
Oh, I'll certainly post my thoughts after I've listened. Just keep in mind I have little to compare it with.  ;D

Your gut reaction will be fine  ;)

NikF

Quote from: aligreto on July 06, 2016, 09:18:40 AM
Your gut reaction will be fine  ;)

On first listen... Schiff sounds the more classical compared to the Rostropovich recording (by which I mean more refined - perhaps even staid?) whereas Rostropovich seems more colourful. As for the performances as a whole, Schiff/Haitink sound perfectly sympathetic to each other - far more together - and so the result is more powerful. Which do I prefer? I don't know.
"You overestimate my power of attraction," he told her. "No, I don't," she replied sharply, "and neither do you".

aligreto

Quote from: NikF on July 08, 2016, 07:33:10 AM
On first listen... Schiff sounds the more classical compared to the Rostropovich recording (by which I mean more refined - perhaps even staid?) whereas Rostropovich seems more colourful. As for the performances as a whole, Schiff/Haitink sound perfectly sympathetic to each other - far more together - and so the result is more powerful. Which do I prefer? I don't know.

Thanks for that and an interesting comparison between the two versions. That is exactly why people have multiple versions of any given work  ;D

NikF

Quote from: aligreto on July 08, 2016, 08:27:28 AM
Thanks for that and an interesting comparison between the two versions. That is exactly why people have multiple versions of any given work  ;D

You're welcome. And yes, I remember that back in my innocence I was sincere in thinking "...yeah, one, maybe even two interpretations are all that's required, especially if I like the piece"  :laugh:
"You overestimate my power of attraction," he told her. "No, I don't," she replied sharply, "and neither do you".