Most Hated Composer of all Time?

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(poco) Sforzando

"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Karl Henning

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Quote from: Jo498 on August 09, 2016, 03:27:19 AM
I am not expressing my opinion. ;)
I knew that, of course, but I've probably not hung here long enough to have heard that opinion yet, so I was curious

Quote from: The new erato on August 09, 2016, 04:24:44 AM
Badly done soppy kitsch of course is quite another matter.
... like Verdi, I guess?  ;)
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Quote from: karlhenning on August 09, 2016, 05:25:01 AM
Send James back to school.
I envy the school curriculum that even mentions Stockhausen once!!!

Simula

I forgot all about Stockhausen, although his place in music is exceedingly important. Schnittke even wrote an essay on him. I agree with the Stockhausen citation. :)
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Karl Henning

Some will consider this splitting hairs, but I should nominate Stockhausen for Most Contemptible Composer of all Time  8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: jessop on August 09, 2016, 07:15:05 AM
I envy the school curriculum that even mentions Stockhausen once!!!

Mind you, one does not nitpick every GMGer's grammar, (especially those for whom English is not the first language).  My point is actually that for someone who is such a snide, intemperate, self-appointed Cultural Authoritarian, his grammar is an indifferent amalgam of inept and pretentious.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Turner

#27
I think it will take a bunch of major revolutions for Wyshnegradsky and Haba (in his more edgy mood) to become widely popular, at least. But they are too obscure to be hated; I´m talking about people´s first acquaintance with them & the amount of instinctive, negative reaction - piano quarter-tone music just isn´t loved by the majority. 

Scion7

Well, Wagner's genius is certainly tainted by his anti-semitism. He might be the most disliked due to personality - not the music.

A lot of folks detest Stockhausen. I appreciate what he did, but he didn't do much with it but make a hash of it, mostly. Can't stand to listen to it because it is so boring. However, other musicians in the Rock field were influenced by him, and took part of his sound into far, far more creative areas.  He just didn't have the imagination or composing chops to compete.
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vandermolen

#29
Although I like some of his music I think that Britten was quite an unpleasant individual - keen on denigrating other fine British composers. Wagner and Richard Strauss would also feature on my list for reasons already mentioned.
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(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: vandermolen on August 09, 2016, 11:48:01 AM
Although I like some of his music I think that Britten was quite an unpleasant individual - keen on denigrating other fine British composers like Alwyn. Wagner and Richard Strauss would also feature on my list for reasons already mentioned.

He also liked little boys. (Britten that is, not Wagner or Strauss.)
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: 71 dB on August 09, 2016, 01:25:59 AM
I have no glue, but I know who is the most TAUNTEDittersdorf.

I know your English is several million times better than my Finnish, but the word here would be "clue."
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

(poco) Sforzando

"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: Mirror Image on August 09, 2016, 06:01:39 AM
My pick is Stockhausen. Can't stand his music and I think he's done absolutely nothing but create bad blood amongst classical listeners (those who actually like his music that is).

I like and admire some of his music (by no means all) immensely.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

71 dB

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on August 09, 2016, 11:51:42 AM
I know your English is several million times better than my Finnish, but the word here would be "clue."

Yes, of course. Thanks!  ;)
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Quote from: vandermolen on August 09, 2016, 11:48:01 AM
Although I like some of his music I think that Britten was quite an unpleasant individual - keen on denigrating other fine British composers. Wagner and Richard Strauss would also feature on my list for reasons already mentioned.

Agreed - can't stand his stuff, either.
When, a few months before his death, Rachmaninov lamented that he no longer had the "strength and fire" to compose, friends reminded him of the Symphonic Dances, so charged with fire and strength. "Yes," he admitted. "I don't know how that happened. That was probably my last flicker."

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Quote from: Cato on August 09, 2016, 04:54:44 AMAgain, the composer's writings/statements did not help him (e.g. the September 11th attacks as an artwork, which comment I can understand, given Stockhausen's point of view, but which was doomed to be sensationalized.

See e.g. :

http://nymag.com/news/9-11/10th-anniversary/karlheinz-stockhausen/  Note the column on the right from Stockhausen.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2008/jun/23/isittimetoforgivestockhau


Old news which mostly points to the true nature of journalism than all else, it's been cleared up too .. hardly a factor in the real world at this point. For this forum though, of the major composers .. easily the least explored and consequently, understood.
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Karl Henning

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on August 09, 2016, 02:13:16 PM
Kenny G. Ugh. I hate that guy.  :'(

Has anyone claimed that he is a composer?  8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

(poco) Sforzando

"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."