Greatest Composer Since the Time of Beethoven, sorry but it's true.

[Cato]

I KANT REED!!!

IMMANUEL KANT REED!!!

[nathanb]

Surely, merely arguing against the thesis that Stockhausen was "the greatest composer since Beethoven" is not hatred?

I was not really referring to you, to be honest.

Also, I have this sneaking suspicion that you're taking me too seriously.

Also, let the man be the greatest on his birthday, at least

[snyprrr]

I was not really referring to you, to be honest.

Also, I have this sneaking suspicion that you're taking me too seriously.

Also, let the man be the greatest on his birthday, at least

How you feel about 'Inori' and 'Ylem'?

[snyprrr]

Right now, the only difference between KHS and Cage is the availability of the latter's music to make its way into my listening device so that my ears may hear it. Were KHS's ouvre as available, perhaps I would... we would all... be hosting a greater regard for our protagonist?

[nathanb]

How you feel about 'Inori' and 'Ylem'?

Love them. However, I really want to get the Inori DVD one day, because I've always gotten the impression that the extra-musical elements of the composition are really crucial in that one. From a purely sonic standpoint, I suppose Inori takes a while to get going, so my general preference might be for Ylem.

But there are really very few Stockhausen compositions that I don't care about. And in those rare instances, I believe the fault lies with me, not with Karlheinz.

[North Star]

I was not really referring to you, to be honest.

Also, I have this sneaking suspicion that you're taking me too seriously.

Also, let the man be the greatest on his birthday, at least

The man being Debussy, right? 

[The new erato]

The man being Debussy, right? 

You sure have a good point there!

[Scion7]

Miles Davis' opinions on the music of others is pretty dismal and should be dismissed.
He hated Eric Dolphy, for just one example.
He detested Ornette Coleman.
So his opinions are pretty much rubbish.
Great musician for his own music, though.

[chadfeldheimer]

Miles Davis' opinions on the music of others is pretty dismal and should be dismissed.
He hated Eric Dolphy, for just one example.
He detested Ornette Coleman.
So his opinions are pretty much rubbish.
Great musician for his own music, though.

Personally I trust positive verdicts about music much more than negative verdicts, simply for the fact that the letter ones imo are often based on prejudices and ignorance. Positive verdicts, especially by persons that are very interested in and have a broad knowledge of music, are mostly based on a deeper occupation with the subject. Therefore I trust Miles' opinion about Stockhausen more than his opinions about Dolphy or Coleman. In addition the fact that Coleman and Dolphy were competitors in the same field of music might have biased his verdict.

[Karl Henning]

Personally I trust positive verdicts about music much more than negative verdicts [...]

Indeed. Imagine someone who doesn't care for Mozart, feeling that he was artistically justified because Glenn Gould said something negative about Mozart.  Lame, I know, but I've seen it 

[chadfeldheimer]

Indeed. Imagine someone who doesn't care for Mozart, feeling that he was artistically justified because Glenn Gould said something negative about Mozart.  Lame, I know, but I've seen it 

Actually I've noticed several times that someone dismisses composer/musician x because someone (often an "authority") told so. To be honest I even recognized it on myself some times. An excuse for this might be the existence of such a large quantity of music and usefulness of prejudices to keep orientation 

[North Star]

Personally I trust positive verdicts about music much more than negative verdicts, simply for the fact that the letter ones imo are often based on prejudices and ignorance. Positive verdicts, especially by persons that are very interested in and have a broad knowledge of music, are mostly based on a deeper occupation with the subject. Therefore I trust Miles' opinion about Stockhausen more than his opinions about Dolphy or Coleman. In addition the fact that Coleman and Dolphy were competitors in the same field of music might have biased his verdict.

Indeed. Imagine someone who doesn't care for Mozart, feeling that he was artistically justified because Glenn Gould said something negative about Mozart.  Lame, I know, but I've seen it 

It is certainly foolish to think that someone else's lack of understanding gives authority to your own.

[chadfeldheimer]

It is certainly foolish to think that someone else's lack of understanding gives authority to your own.

I agree it's foolish, but that doesn't alter the fact, that such behaviour is quite widespread.

[North Star]

I agree it's foolish, but that doesn't alter the fact, that such behaviour is quite widespread.

It certainly doesn't, the fact that it's widespread is just further proof of its stupidity... 

[chadfeldheimer]

Lucky can be the person, that is completely free of this foolishness.

[North Star]

Lucky can be the person, that is completely free of this foolishness.

I very much doubt the existence of such a person.

[chadfeldheimer]

I very much doubt the existence of such a person.

I doubt that too.

[Karl Henning]

That said . . . many of us do learn better  0:)

[nathanb]

The man being Debussy, right? 

I was informed of this when I commanded my buddy to throw on a Stockhausen tune that day. Personally, Stockhausen ranks even higher on my list than Debussy, but it did make my argument an awful lot more complicated...

[snyprrr]

Indeed. Imagine someone who doesn't care for Mozart, feeling that he was artistically justified because Glenn Gould said something negative about Mozart.  Lame, I know, but I've seen it 

Pettersson comes to mind...

The Penguin Guide had no love for him, or Penderecki