Classical music sucks entirely

[Cato]

Cavorting clarinetists have indeed been done much better by others.

"O Basset-Horn, Basset-Horn!"

Go to 3:40 or so:

https://www.youtube.com/v/fbKmF7KkB5Q

[nathanb]

I have yet to hear anything I actually liked by him, and I think that once the extramusical elements like costumed cavorting clarinetists are stripped away, there is little that others were not doing, and not doing better.

I do not wish to argue with you because you have expressed your opinion with such care and civility (more than I am typically used to), but I would like to express my disagreement here. A number of counterexamples come to mind, but hey, it's all good tunes man.

[Karl Henning]

And we're all for civil disagreement. Practically anything which one of us dislikes, may be someone else's especial favorite.

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[Mirror Image]

I guess I've never had a closet built into my house, I always listen to Stockhausen loud (even in public). He's not my absolute favorite composer but one I enjoy a lot.
What about Schoenberg? are people of this forum over tone rows? I swear some people are so far behind in music history 

I like Schoenberg a lot, but I prefer his 'free atonal' period above all others, although there are some 12-tone pieces of his I do like. Berg is my favorite composer from the Second Viennese School. I dig some Webern, too. I know you were just joking around, but I think a lot of people, especially ones that frequent these kinds of forums are well aware of where classical went after the Romantic Era. Whether they like the music or not, is a subjective point, but I do think if you talk to a classical fan who's been listening for say 20 years, they'll know who Schoenberg is. If they don't, then they should perhaps pull their head out of the sand.

[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

Oh, hi then COAG. Nice to see you around, you seem to have gained a reputation of sorts over there 
I'd assume then that you like Specialism? 

Spectralism? I like spectralism quite a bit.

[Hollywood]

Greetings from a Yankee living in Beethoven and Mozart's Vienna. Welcome to the forum. 

[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

I'm not sure if Haas actually uses techniques from spectral analysis in his music....I've heard he is interested in the aesthetics of spectralism but I am not sure if he is strictly speaking a 'spectralist composer'

My two favourite spectral compositions are Nørgård's Voyage into the Golden Screen and Harvey's Mortuos Plango Vivos Voco.

[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

Btw I read an interview I read a while ago about haas....he says that nah he's not a spectral composer. He thinks overtones are cool.

[ritter]

Welcome to the forum, Thatfabulousalien! I hope you enjoy it here.

Another admirer (with some reservations) of Stockhausen here, and most of the 1950s Darmstadt avant-garde for that matter. Although my enthusiasm for Stockhausen's music has waned slightly over the past couple of years, I still hugely enjoy many of his pieces (Michael Reise..., Gruppen, Inori and most of the early stuff), and seeing Kontra-Punkte performed live under Peter Eötvös a couple of years ago here in Madrid was a memorable experience.

Great you already have Box 4 of the Darmstadt series! That one is a must for me, as it contains Pierre Boulez playing his Third sonata (AFAIK including the unpublished--fragmentary?-- movements).

Cheers,

[Karl Henning]

What about Schoenberg?

I'm a big fan (but, of course, a composer is apt to be).  Some here are, some aren't.

[Monsieur Croche]

Acceptance is the first step.

At least on this forum, people just claim indifference. It's a witch hunt where this alien just came from.

Without naming it I can, I think, well guess that 'place' you are speaking of....
Are they still as, uh... hypervigilant about suppressing that intransigent and terribly rude infidel modernist / contemporary crowd of theirs (of whom so many have fled / migrated to GMG? :-D


Best regards

[nathanb]

Without naming it I can, I think, well guess that 'place' you are speaking of....
Are they still as, uh... hypervigilant about suppressing that intransigent and terribly rude infidel modernist / contemporary crowd of theirs (of whom so many have fled / migrated to GMG? :-D


Best regards

Yes, they are.

PetrB, it has been too long.

[kishnevi]

I do not wish to argue with you because you have expressed your opinion with such care and civility (more than I am typically used to), but I would like to express my disagreement here. A number of counterexamples come to mind, but hey, it's all good tunes man.

Disagreement was not merely expected, but necessary.


Trivia of the day, but relevant:

In Jewish law, if a court voted unanimously for guilt in a capital case (which was decided by a court of seventy members),  a guilty verdict did not result.  The very fact that everyone agreed was grounds for assuming that something had gone wrong with the trial.

[Cato]

Disagreement was not merely expected, but necessary.


Trivia of the day, but relevant:

In Jewish law, if a court voted unanimously for guilt in a capital case (which was decided by a court of seventy members),  a guilty verdict did not result.  The very fact that everyone agreed was grounds for assuming that something had gone wrong with the trial.

A wise skepticism of majority rule! 

[Cato]

looks like a Stockhausen thread is a necessity! 

BEHOLD!

Stockhausen's Spaceship!

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,3533.0.html

[Karl Henning]

Much depends, friend, on what you mean by necessity  0:)