Shostakovich symphonies: 5th or 10th?

Started by Madiel, August 24, 2016, 07:11:52 AM

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Which of these (often cited as among the composer's best) do you prefer?

Symphony No.5 in D minor, op.47
10 (31.3%)
Symphony No.10 in E minor, op.93
18 (56.3%)
Meh. Not a fan of either.
1 (3.1%)
DON'T MAKE ME CHOOSE BETWEEN MY BABIES!!
3 (9.4%)

Total Members Voted: 30

Madiel

Just curious, after listening to both of them today (from the Petrenko series). We've got the facility to create polls, and it's about time I used it to satisfy my curiosity.
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Sergeant Rock

D minor always beats E minor  8)

Seriously, I haven't fallen in love with the E minor's first movement, preventing a love for the whole piece.

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Christo

I like both, heard the Tenth live last year in the Amsterdam Concertgebouw and it certainly is a piece that works well, live. Yet, I'd say that the sources of the Fifth run a little deeper.
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Karl Henning

Much as I love the Fifth (and its cousin, the Eighth 8) ) I am yet more mesmerized by the Op.93.
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North Star

Quote from: karlhenning on August 24, 2016, 08:59:31 AM
Much as I love the Fifth (and its cousin, the Eighth 8) ) I am yet more mesmerized by the Op.93.
Agreed, and voted accordingly.
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Ken B

I doubt this poll will be very close.

My own pick is 14, but of these two, 10 it is.

Karl Henning

Quote from: Ken B on August 24, 2016, 09:15:21 AM
I doubt this poll will be very close.

My own pick is 14, but of these two, 10 it is.

The Op.135 is a knockout, 'tis true.
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Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

mc ukrneal

No 10 doesn't hold my interest very much. I always find it a bit 'all over the place'. Some great bassoon work though.  5th it is.
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Cato

Shostakovich never enthused me much back in my immature days  8), until I heard this recording:

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Mirror Image

The 10th without question, although the Largo in the 5th is one of Shostakovich's most beautiful utterances IMHO.

Ken B

Quote from: Cato on August 24, 2016, 10:10:52 AM
Shostakovich never enthused me much back in my immature days  8), until I heard this recording:

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That's the one for sure.

Madiel

Quote from: Mirror Image on August 24, 2016, 10:27:04 AM
The 10th without question, although the Largo in the 5th is one of Shostakovich's most beautiful utterances IMHO.

Pretty much my own reaction.
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TheGSMoeller

Love the 5th, but I see it as a good piece with some great moments. The 10th is consistent from bell to bell, feels like one large piece rather than 4 movements. I've seen them both performed live, and nothing gets you out of your seat like the racing juggernaut of an ending of the Op.93.

Daverz

The 5th is much shorter and has that wonderful Mahlerian Allegretto.  I think it's clearly a better entry point into the symphonies.  But only a great performance is going to rouse me to from an over familiar indifference to the much of it.  The 10th remains my favorite of the 15.

Karl Henning

Quote from: Daverz on August 24, 2016, 04:56:52 PM
... The 10th remains my favorite of the 15.

For me, about 45% of the time, the Tenth is my favorite of the symphonies.

The Fourth is my favorite of the symphonies about 45% of the time.

The remaining 10% of the time, my favorite is, the symphony I last listened to.
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Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

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Autumn Leaves

I cant choose between these 2 - I hold them both in equal stead.

vandermolen

"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

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Heck148

 Love them both, great symphonies...cannot choose one over the other....
for #5 - Bernstein/NYPO '59 is my favorite, with Previn/CSO a close contender. for #10, a lot of great ones - Stokowski/CSO live from '66 is my favorite, Mitropoulos, Solti and Mravinsky all made fine contributions...

I also love #s 1, 7, 8, 9...4, 6, 11, 15 are dynamite also...
14 is awesome, but I can't listen to the whole piece at once, too dark, too bleak...I like 13, also, but I'm not so familiar with it [yet]. #12 is unfocused, DS lost it in the middle somewhere.
#3 is very interesting, but like #2, it suffers from the Soviet propaganda blather of the finale...

Androcles

4 and 8 are probably my favourites. Of the two proposed, the 10th is my preferred choice. The Finale seems to be a very clever political statement to me. The 5th is undoubtedly clever too, but somehow the 10th speaks to me more.

13th very good too. I heard it live in Novosibirsk, Russia to celebrate the centenary of Shostakovich's birth. The Russian bases were fantastic. (They all spent about 30 minutes before the concert smoking in the bathroom of the concert hall - maybe this had something to do with it).
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