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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #15640 on: March 16, 2019, 10:15:11 AM »
I am ignorant


Yes, you are.  The following proves it - again:


Please educate me about who else likes Nancy Pelosi besides of her big money donors whose bidding she does?


Use them fancy googlin' skills of yours a bit.  You might be surprised what you can learn.
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« Reply #15641 on: March 16, 2019, 10:16:32 AM »
It's not about what kind of education is needed for a certain job. It's about the freedom to choose what kind of job you try to get. Should it be so that everybody from poor families become auto mechanic? Where is the economical ladder? Shouldn't it be so that if you are dumb but from rich family (someone like Trump), you don't have access to higher education because you don't pass the entrance exam and your daddy can't pay you in? Maybe Trump would have become better auto mechanic than businessman/president?
I would refuse to drive any car that mechanic-Trump would do repairs on..
(I think I can safely say that's something we both agree on.)

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« Reply #15642 on: March 16, 2019, 10:24:09 AM »
It's not about what kind of education is needed for a certain job. It's about the freedom to choose what kind of job you try to get. Should it be so that everybody from poor families become auto mechanic? Where is the economical ladder? Shouldn't it be so that if you are dumb but from rich family (someone like Trump), you don't have access to higher education because you don't pass the entrance exam and your daddy can't pay you in? Maybe Trump would have become better auto mechanic than businessman/president?

The problem is twofold
1) the current mindset is that everyone should get a degree, no matter what their ability or vocational interest may be.  Even if they truly want a career for which a college degree is irrelevant.
2) the US has a flawed public school system. If the goals of education are a broad but sound knowledge of facts, and the ability to think critically, then our public schools are failing badly, especially in the latter.  Fixing that is far more important than letting products of that failed system re-inforce their failures at taxpayer expense.

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« Reply #15643 on: March 16, 2019, 10:31:38 AM »
Dem candidates getting threshed:

Beto O'Rourke:

Beto the Hacker: Beto O’Rourke’s secret membership in America’s oldest hacking group

(A bonus of Reuters reporting on Reuters: Backstory: How Reuters uncovered Beto O'Rourke's teenage hacking days)

The yearbook standard spreads (and, never tell a wife joke on the campaign trail): Beto O’Rourke apologises for teen writings and joke about his wife


Amy Klobuchar

Amy spins eating a salad with a comb

But she owns her badassery: Amy Klobuchar: Hell Yes, I’m a Tough Boss—And I’ll Abuse Putin, Too

Pootie Poot is no doubt very scared.


Cory Booker

Confirmed bachelor has a girlfriend, just in time for his campaign: Booker on relationship with Rosario Dawson: 'I'm very happy about it'
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« Reply #15644 on: March 16, 2019, 10:44:04 AM »
Sane people would regard a country where "politics" mostly involves smearing/confronting politicians with pranks and other foolish things they did as teenagers or college students as a basket case.
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« Reply #15645 on: March 16, 2019, 10:44:35 AM »
A good example of why I say the US educational system is failing to produce people who have critical thinking skills
https://nypost.com/2019/03/16/nyu-students-confront-chelsea-clinton-say-she-stoked-hatred-behind-new-zealand-shootings/amp/

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« Reply #15646 on: March 16, 2019, 10:57:26 AM »
Sane people would regard a country where "politics" mostly involves smearing/confronting politicians with pranks and other foolish things they did as teenagers or college students as a basket case.


Correction: A basket case with tons of nukes, the most powerful conventional military on earth by far, the largest economy, the primary reserve currency, and a Treasury that aggressively applies regulations with extraterritorial reach.  (The judiciary does something similar, to boot!) 

'Murica!

(And don't dare tell 'Murican lefties on this forum or anywhere else that high school and college shenanigans are unimportant, not after the whole Kavanaugh thingy.)
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« Reply #15647 on: March 16, 2019, 11:53:15 AM »

Correction: A basket case with tons of nukes, the most powerful conventional military on earth by far, the largest economy, the primary reserve currency, and a Treasury that aggressively applies regulations with extraterritorial reach.  (The judiciary does something similar, to boot!) 

'Murica!

(And don't dare tell 'Murican lefties on this forum or anywhere else that high school and college shenanigans are unimportant, not after the whole Kavanaugh thingy.)

Perhaps English isn't your first language, but shenanigans is a poor word choice applied to sexual assault.

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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #15648 on: March 16, 2019, 12:53:19 PM »

Correction: A basket case with tons of nukes, the most powerful conventional military on earth by far, the largest economy, the primary reserve currency, and a Treasury that aggressively applies regulations with extraterritorial reach.  (The judiciary does something similar, to boot!) 
This is precisely the problem, yes. The nukes are not going to go away soon, the rest of the military has not been terribly impressive in their last few exploits and the third and fourth factor might last another decade or two. Then the sh*t will probably hit the fan big time.
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #15649 on: March 16, 2019, 02:44:56 PM »

Yes, you are.  The following proves it - again:
Use them fancy googlin' skills of yours a bit.  You might be surprised what you can learn.
Thanks for the out of context quote.

Googled "Who likes Nancy Pelosi": First link: The Hill Poll: Three-quarters of Americans say Nancy Pelosi should be replaced, including half of Democrats

Maybe that means 1/4 of Americans love Nancy Pelosi, maybe it means 1/4 of Americans are clueless.
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« Reply #15650 on: March 16, 2019, 02:48:53 PM »
The Dem-leaning Americans on other forums I read all seem to admire Pelosi, pretty much without exception.

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« Reply #15651 on: March 16, 2019, 02:53:26 PM »
Thanks for the out of context quote.

Googled "Who likes Nancy Pelosi": First link: The Hill Poll: Three-quarters of Americans say Nancy Pelosi should be replaced, including half of Democrats

Maybe that means 1/4 of Americans love Nancy Pelosi, maybe it means 1/4 of Americans are clueless.

Clueless, indeed. One can both like Pelosi and what she's done, while at the same time thinking that it's time for younger and fresher politicians to move into leadership positions.

The Dem-leaning Americans on other forums I read all seem to admire Pelosi, pretty much without exception.

Bear in mind that our member from Finland thinks the mainstream Democrats are too moderate, or in his parlance, corporatist, and need to convert to the forms of socialism advocated by AOC and her ilk.

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« Reply #15652 on: March 16, 2019, 07:13:03 PM »
Bear in mind that our member from Finland

This is an international forum, and the member from Finland has as much right as anyone to voice an opinion as anyone else here.  And frankly, I don't find your opinions on US politics particularly astute.

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« Reply #15653 on: March 16, 2019, 07:30:03 PM »
This is an international forum, and the member from Finland has as much right as anyone to voice an opinion as anyone else here.  And frankly, I don't find your opinions on US politics particularly astute.

Did I say he has no right to voice an opinion? I did not. I merely tried to get him to understand that he knows far less than he thinks he does, that his sources do not have anything like the impartiality and accuracy he thinks they have, and that his  certitude has no basis in fact.

As for myself, I claim no special wisdom in this or almost any other matter...

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« Reply #15654 on: March 17, 2019, 02:41:45 AM »
Did I say he has no right to voice an opinion? I did not. I merely tried to get him to understand that he knows far less than he thinks he does, that his sources do not have anything like the impartiality and accuracy he thinks they have, and that his  certitude has no basis in fact.

As for myself, I claim no special wisdom in this or almost any other matter...

I don't think I know everything and since I am a guy from Finland I know my limits, but I know enough to see that some American members here don't know either that much or are not aware of the bubble they live in.
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« Reply #15655 on: March 17, 2019, 02:50:44 AM »
But aren't the Trump-sympathizers also of the opinion that the "Clinton-wing" oft the Dems is too corporatist? If they agree with the Finnish "socialist", there might be some truth to it.
One of the funniest quips I read (and this might have been before Trump was elected) was that the two main political parties in the US try to convince the voters that they are as far apart as A and Z when they are more like M and N. Now with Trump and the likes of AOC (although words are wind, it's as easy to brag about plans for covering the country with zero-energy monorails as it is to brag about the biggest border wall you will ever see) it might almost be as far apart as K and P.
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« Reply #15656 on: March 17, 2019, 04:05:35 AM »
Clueless, indeed. One can both like Pelosi and what she's done, while at the same time thinking that it's time for younger and fresher politicians to move into leadership positions.

What has Pelosi done? She calls herself a master legislator. What is the legislation she masterfully legislated? Obamacare? An originally right-win think thank (The Heritage Foundation) healthcare system to protect the intrests of insurance companies renamed to Obamacare (because Overton Window had moved to the right so much that the Democrats are as right as the Republicans used to be). She got that barely legistlated during Democratic supermajority instead of fighting for medicare for all. Wow, how impressive! Well, at least the insurance companies and Big Pharma who had been funneling money to her were happy, but American people suffer from the worst healthcare system in the developped countries. Yeah, maybe it's time for fresher politicians who aren't that corrupted and actually fight for the things that need to be fixed.  Not a master legislator perhaps, but she is great at getting donor money. A lot of people wanted Barbara Lee to be the speaker of House instead of her.

Bear in mind that our member from Finland thinks the mainstream Democrats are too moderate, or in his parlance, corporatist, and need to convert to the forms of socialism advocated by AOC and her ilk.

The corporate Democrats take tons of money from corporations and in return do the bidding of corpotations. You'd knew this if you weren't brainwashed by the corporate media (doing the bidding of corpotations as well) to be blind to this corruption and oligarchy. Finland is one of the least corrupted countries in the World so I see the corporate corruption in the US from here over the Atlantic Ocean! You'd knew that the corporate media does non-stop smearing of the left to protect the establishment.

That's why Ilhan Omar's mild criticism of Israel government breaking international law and AIPAC trying to influence American politics is called antisemitism as if Ilhan Omar was against jews and people in Israel in general. She is not. She has criticised Saudi-Arabia too, but for some reason nobody calls her an islamaphobe. Just think about how cracy that is. If she had criticized any other country (say Poland or Switzerland) in the World nobody would care, but if you do any kind of criticism of Israel, it's antisemitism!

That's why AOC is called (fearmongered) a socialist when she is a social democrat. She is not suggesting Apple and Walmart should be publicly owned. She is not banning private ownership. She is suggesting that in some areas of economy such as healthcare and education socialistic ideas should be implemented because empirically it leads to better results in the society and is morally right. The US already has socialistic police, fire department and military. Adding healthcare and education to that wouldn't turn the US into Venezuela because Apple and Warmart would still be privately owned. It would move the US toward countries such as Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland, countries that beat the US on almost every relevant measure (happiness, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc.). Finland has the second lowest (2.3 per 1000 births) infant mortality rate under age 5 in the World after Iceland. The US is number 32 (6.5 per 1000 births), but at least the US beats Chile and Turkey! Denmark is the worst of the Nordic countries in this regard (4.4 per 1000 births) but still clearly better than the US. AOC didn't take money from corporations and doesnt' need to do their bidding. Instead she can do what a decent politician should do: Fight for the people to make their life better. Of course the establishment doesn't like that at all so she is smeared in the corporate media. It's up to your stupidity and degree of corporate brainwahing whether you see that or not.
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« Reply #15657 on: March 17, 2019, 04:23:26 AM »
But aren't the Trump-sympathizers also of the opinion that the "Clinton-wing" oft the Dems is too corporatist? If they agree with the Finnish "socialist", there might be some truth to it.
One of the funniest quips I read (and this might have been before Trump was elected) was that the two main political parties in the US try to convince the voters that they are as far apart as A and Z when they are more like M and N. Now with Trump and the likes of AOC (although words are wind, it's as easy to brag about plans for covering the country with zero-energy monorails as it is to brag about the biggest border wall you will ever see) it might almost be as far apart as K and P.

Trump campaigned partly as a "lefty" populist and that resonated to people more than Clinton's centrism on the rust belt. Because of cult of personality the Trump-supporters are in denial about the fact that Trump has been a status quo establishment president.

The divide is not so much left-right as it is 1 % vs 99 %. The top 1 % has rigged the system and wants to keep it rigged and rig it further. Well, they got Trump's tax cuts and 84 % of the benefits goes to them. The rest 99 % of people only get 16 % of the benefits.
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« Reply #15658 on: March 17, 2019, 05:26:20 AM »
Much of the confusion is caused by a different political orientation: compared with Europe, almost the entire American political landscape is in one extreme corner of the ideological spectrum:
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« Reply #15659 on: March 17, 2019, 05:35:26 AM »
But that's not quite correct. They should almost all be in the bottom right purple section, shouldn't they?

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