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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #17820 on: December 02, 2019, 08:37:24 AM »
Single handedly you have exposed the central reason our species is doomed to self induced extinction.

     What's at issue is the cost in "blood and treasure" of early versus late intervention. An early intervention means we decide the path to future riches lies in building an economy that can withstand the coming changes and even to some degree reverse them. This is what we'll do at some point, and one hopes we start long before the last idiot is convinced we should.

     
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #17821 on: December 03, 2019, 06:33:38 AM »

     Britain’s Secret War With Russia

     Putin has been effective in exploiting every kind of political weakness in Europe and the U.K. without the assistance of a "No Puppet".
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #17822 on: December 03, 2019, 07:32:35 AM »
     The Mueller Report Illustrated

     This is a useful refresher on TrumPutin 2016.

     How the Ukraine pressure campaign began as an effort to undercut the Mueller investigation

In the summer of 2016, as Manafort faced building questions about lucrative lobbying work he did in Ukraine, he began to suggest to other Trump campaign aides that the Ukrainians might have been responsible for hacking the Democratic National Committee in 2016, rather than the Russians, according to what his deputy, Rick Gates, told the FBI.

Gates told investigators that Manafort’s comments attributing the hacks to Ukrainians “parroted a narrative” that was also advanced at the time by Konstantin Kilimnik, an employee of Manafort who the FBI has assessed to have ties to Russian intelligence. (Kilimnik denies such ties.)

As the special counsel investigation got underway in 2017, other Trump allies began promoting the alternative Ukraine theory.


     
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #17824 on: December 03, 2019, 02:46:46 PM »

     Macron Uses Toddler Reverse Psychology Trick to Fool Trump Into Supporting NATO

Trump himself has called NATO “obsolete,” openly questioned whether the U.S. would come to the defense of allies under attack (the very foundation of the alliance), and privately told aides on several occasions last year he wants to withdraw from the alliance. But the notion that somebody else would question NATO, and blame its demise on Trump, has enraged him.

And now Trump is lashing out at Macron. “NATO serves a great purpose,” he declared today. “And I hear that President Macron said NATO is ‘brain dead.’ I think that’s very insulting to a lot of different forces … When you make a statement like that, that is a very, very nasty statement to 28 — including them — 28 countries.”

Manipulating children into doing what you want by pretending to demand they do the opposite thing is a trick most parents learn to use. It usually stops working around the age of 5.


     
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« Reply #17825 on: December 03, 2019, 03:57:21 PM »
The 33 most outlandish lines from Donald Trump's news conference with Justin Trudeau

[...]

3. "I've done many environmental impact statements over my life and I believe in -- I believe very strongly in very, very crystal clear, clean water and clean air. That's a big part of climate change."

[narrator voice] It's not.

[...]

13. "Well, we'll put them on a payment plan, you know? We'll put Canada on a payment plan, right?"

[Cut to Trudeau, not laughing]

14. "We are winning so big."

The question that elicited this response, you ask? "Mr. President, to turn back to impeachment, you met with Clinton adviser Mark Penn last month. What did you learn from that meeting? And what advice are you getting on impeachment?" Very cool and very legal.

15. "I have my best poll numbers that I've ever had."

In the latest Gallup tracking poll -- conducted in mid-November -- 43% approved of the job Trump was doing as President and a whole 54% disapproved. The best he has ever done in Gallup polling was 46% in late April. His approval number has hovered in the upper 30s/low 40s for the vast majority of his presidency.

16. "I mean, I see what's going on, especially the Trump districts, where I won by a lot. I have districts where I won by a lot. You people know it better than anybody."

In 2016, Trump won 230 congressional districts while Hillary Clinton won 205, according to Daily Kos number crunching.

17. "We had -- in Kentucky, we won everything other than the governorship, and the governor I brought up almost 19 points."

[narrator voice] No, he didn't.

18. "And Louisiana was a long shot; it was less than 1%. He came up 12 or 14 points, a lot."

Again, no.

19. "And, by the way, in Mississippi, we won the governorship, very close race. It was tied going in, two days before. I went up, we made a speech, we had a rally and he won by a lot."

Trump won Mississippi by 18 points in 2016. It is among the most conservative states in the country.

20. "We have never had the spirit that we've had. I really believe, I think I can honestly say, I don't think we've ever had the spirit that we have right now in the Republican Party."

[stares intently at spirit-o-meter, looking for record readings]

21. "I don't watch the stock market."

I laughed out loud. Not kidding.

[...]

24. "Someday, hopefully in a very long, distant future, you'll have a Democrat president, you'll have a Republican House, and they'll do the same thing, because somebody picked an orange out of a refrigerator and you don't like it, so let's go and impeach him."[...]

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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #17826 on: December 03, 2019, 04:05:45 PM »
Trump claims Barr was misquoted in story on Russia probe IG report

"President Donald Trump on Tuesday claimed Attorney General William Barr was misquoted in a news report stating that the Justice Department chief disagreed with a key finding in his agency’s watchdog review of the FBI’s investigation into the Trump campaign.

“I think he was quoted incorrectly. I do believe that because I'm hearing the [inspector general’s] report is very powerful,” Trump told reporters at the meeting of NATO leaders in London. “But I'm hearing that by reading lots of different things, not from inside information. It's really from outside information. I think all we have to do is wait.”

The president's remarks referred to a Washington Post story published late Monday reporting that Barr was skeptical of the Justice Department IG's conclusion that the FBI had sufficient evidence to justify its probe into potential coordination between Trump associates and Russia during the 2016 presidential race.

The New York Times also reported Monday that the attorney general had doubts about the watchdog's assessment, and although Barr was quoted in neither story, Justice Department spokeswoman Kerri Kupec did not explicitly deny the dispute in a statement.

While Trump speculated that Barr has “perhaps” read the report detailing inspector general Michael Horowitz’s findings — which has not yet been made public and is expected to be released in the coming days — the president insisted he had not yet seen the highly anticipated document himself.

Trump purported to have heard that “there's a lot of devastating things” in the report, and acknowledged that it “would be a little disappointing” if the Post’s story on the inspector general’s findings proves accurate. But he stressed that “it was just … one aspect of” Horowitz’s finished product.

“We'll see what happens. We'll see,” Trump concluded. “It's coming out in a few days. I hear it's devastating. But we'll soon find out.”

Trump on Tuesday also promoted another forthcoming report by John Durham, the U.S. attorney for Connecticut, who Barr appointed in May to lead a separate, broader investigation into the origins of the Russia probe.

Congressional Democrats have criticized that inquiry as a partisan quest for political retribution sought by the president and executed by his attorney general. Trump granted Barr sweeping authority to declassify documents as part of Durham’s work, which POLITICO reported in October has become a criminal investigation.

“I do think the big report to wait for is going to be the Durham report. That's the one that people are really waiting for,” Trump said. “And he's highly respected, and he's worked very hard, and he's worked long hours, I can tell you, and gone all over the world, so we'll see. But the Durham report is the report people are really looking forward to.”

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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #17827 on: December 03, 2019, 04:08:50 PM »
24. "Someday, hopefully in a very long, distant future, you'll have a Democrat president, you'll have a Republican House, and they'll do the same thing, because somebody picked an orange out of a refrigerator and you don't like it, so let's go and impeach him."[...]

At first I thought "impeach him" referred to the orange and showed remarkable self-awareness for Trump.

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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #17828 on: December 03, 2019, 07:47:54 PM »

                                                                                                                  

     

                                                                                                                  
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #17829 on: December 04, 2019, 01:29:45 AM »
     Britain’s Secret War With Russia

     Putin has been effective in exploiting every kind of political weakness in Europe and the U.K. without the assistance of a "No Puppet".

He's got No Puppet Puppets in EU, too.
Farage, Wilders, LePen.
They just don't get the kind of media exposure as the Trump No Puppet does.

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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #17830 on: December 04, 2019, 05:56:42 AM »
He's got No Puppet Puppets in EU, too.
Farage, Wilders, LePen.
They just don't get the kind of media exposure as the Trump No Puppet does.

     Yes, but it's kind of special when you say "No Puppet, you're the Puppet" as though it's a matter of simple logic that someone is.
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #17831 on: December 04, 2019, 10:40:38 AM »
Yeah, it's simple, but it's basically the total and entire strategy of the Trump GOP.

Whatever bad things you do, make sure to preemptively throw it, or something exactly similar, back at those who may accuse you of doing a bad thing.

It's an abuse of the 'equal time' thing the media used to do, and Trump c.s. have turned it into a maddeningly infantile get-out-of-jail card, rejecting all political responsibility, because "they do it too!". The Trump base loves it; they think it's hilarious.

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« Reply #17832 on: December 04, 2019, 02:05:04 PM »
Yeah, it's simple, but it's basically the total and entire strategy of the Trump GOP.

Whatever bad things you do, make sure to preemptively throw it, or something exactly similar, back at those who may accuse you of doing a bad thing.

It's an abuse of the 'equal time' thing the media used to do, and Trump c.s. have turned it into a maddeningly infantile get-out-of-jail card, rejecting all political responsibility, because "they do it too!". The Trump base loves it; they think it's hilarious.
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #17833 on: December 04, 2019, 04:52:11 PM »

     Barr’s handpicked prosecutor tells inspector general he can’t back right-wing theory that Russia case was U.S. intelligence setup

Among Horowitz’s questions: whether a Maltese professor who interacted with a Trump campaign adviser was actually a U.S. intelligence asset deployed to ensnare the campaign, the people said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the inspector general’s findings have not been made public.

But the intelligence agencies said the professor was not among their assets, the people said. And Durham informed Horowitz’s office that his investigation had not produced any evidence that might contradict the inspector general’s findings on that point.


     At least Barr got a nice trip to Italy out of the Mifsud thing.

     I wonder if Barr still thinks reputational death in advance of death death is OK.
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Re: Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)
« Reply #17834 on: December 04, 2019, 05:01:16 PM »
     Germany links Russian agents to Berlin assassination, expels diplomats

     These Ukrainians are really getting out of hand. Can't Vladdy do something about their evil machinations? Rudy?....Billy?......your leader needs you.

     

     "Here I come to save the day!!"
     
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