Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)

[zamyrabyrd]

    Silence is not golden, its incriminating. If there were true allegations against Kerry and McCain we would know. The idea was to cast doubt on their heroism for ideological reasons. Sen. Bob Smith and Rep. Bob Dornan were behind it, and that said all is clear.

    It has nothing to do with liking McCain, though as someone who liked him very much and opposed him often, I would say that liking him was pretty easy. He mentored Senators from both parties. He was not a narrow person. He was not a placard. And, he was funny. Great people often are. A sense of incongruity is the mark of a superior mind. So what that he was a mediocre student? He was an extraordinary teacher.   

You're right, it has little to nothing to do with liking him or not, rather with his blocking information as to MIA's in Vietnam when the Americans pulled out. It's funny that the Dems castigated him when he was running against Obama as being a racist but as soon as he became an anti-Trumper, he was their guy. If he were honest, he should have switched parties, rather than to pretend he was Republican. It is curious that he was pals with a scurrilous piece of work, Ted Kennedy. 

How can one forget his renditions of "Bom, Bom Bom...Bom, Bomb Iran? " He had to repeat it over and over to convince himself it was funny, which it wasn't.

[lisa needs braces]

Before the 2016 election I was pretty ignorant about the US politics. I thought the Republicans are bad and the Democrats are good. I thought Obama was a good president and Hillary was a good candidate. I believed Hillary will win the election easily. Of course I was totally wrong, totally ignorant without any understanding of politics in the US. I looked at it the same way I look politics in my own country Finland.

Then Trump won to the shock of pretty much every European. How was that even possible? I got interested to dig deeper into the secrets of american politics. Why do people call Hillary a criminal and a bad candidate? I started to learn that the US politics is INSANELY corrupted, something I never expected from a first world "democracy", especially a country called the leader of the free World, the country of freedom and democracy!

I learned not only are Republicans bad, but so are most Democrats! Only a handful of left wing politicians are good. Media is all bought to do corporate propaganda from Republican, Democratic or bipartisan perspective. It's not that Americans don't want medicare for all. It's that the goverment doesn't want to give them that, because they serve only the top 1 % and that's where the money comes and corrupts the system with horrendous results.

On top of this corruption Trump is the president. It didn't take me for long to understand why he won. Despite of being completely incompetent and also a criminal, impeachment doesn't look reality. The situation is absurb. You see something like this in banana republics, but we are talking about the supreme superpower in the World.

For the first year or so Trump's presidency has been interesting to follow for all the covfefe tweets, but lately I have become more and more fed up with all this lunacy. Lack of medicare for all is bad for Americans themselves only, but Trump's presidency causes so much damage to the whole World (climate change, trade war, boom bust cycle, escalation of wars, support of dictatorships etc.)

The US is intellectually bankcrupt. An empire facing total collapse if radical actions aren't taken fast. Democracy must be restored removing money in the politics. Military budget should be halfed and the saved money directed to social programs and education. Media should stop advanging corporate propaganda. The richest country in the World should stop acting like a poor Banana republic with third world problems like lead in the tap water, tape worms, lack of healthcare and overall poverty.

I'm so fed up by now. So fed up with all the bigoted fake news snowflake safe space crap that has NOTHING to do with a developped civilized society. A monkey cage in a zoo contains more intellect than Trump's "made great again" America. Even Kyle Kulinski's excellent Youtube commentaries make me shudder by now. I feel like starting to ignore American politics again and coming "back" when Trump is out, how many years that will take I don't know... ...maybe there's a blue progressive wave?

Obama didn't give Americans medicare for all. Instead he gave them a right wing think tank bs system that ranks the worst among the developped countries. He also increased 2 wars into 7 wars. Obama's presidency was a mixed bag at best. However, Trump has taken the presidency to record breaking lows. An amazing achievement by itself.

The American Medical Association and Big Pharma (as well as other healthcare interests like hospitals) have teamed up to lobby against the "Medicare for All" system that the most leftward faction of Democrats just started calling for a mere two years ago -- something that's still merely an idea and most Democrats don't even support.

https://americashealthcarefuture.org/

American medicine as an industry is parasitic on society.

[Karl Henning]

Not everybody liking McCain is a rationalization for the President's narcissistic petulance.

There ya go.

[Daverz]

Vietnam Veterans Against McCain is exactly the group of sleazebags you would imagine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Veterans_Against_John_McCain

"In 2004, Kiley and Sampley formed a similar group targeting another Vietnam veteran, John Kerry [...]"

[lisa needs braces]

Your friendly family doctor is a greedy asshole who probably supports stuff like this:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2017/11/20/nurses-say-ama-launching-turf-war-over-direct-patient-access/#29ddf7361168

[drogulus]

    I watched the POW/MIA hearings. I followed what McCain and Smith were doing. I know that McCain was angry that the issue was being exploited, and that Smith resented being put in the wrong and having his issue taken from him. He wanted an open wound for his demagoguery.

     McCain had to be attacked, Kerry had to be attacked and Smith was low enough that nothing had to be true. All of this was known by me and other people who watched C-SPAN and followed the news.

     The Swift Boaters lied about people who wanted to heal the breach with Vietnam. That's what high quality warmongers do, win the peace even if they couldn't win the war. Smith and Dornan were premature Trumpists.

https://americashealthcarefuture.org/

American medicine as an industry is parasitic on society.

     Correct, we argued about what had to come first in practice and I thought a public option had to be in there, and my side lost. Whether that delayed single payer or not is another question which will never be answered.

     I'm more interested in the path as a series in time than in one salami slice about the current level of parasitism. Stage 1 is ObamaCare, Stage 2 is the counterattack to make it fail, Stage 3 is a better system, hardened like a missile silo against the sociopaths. That how many Dems thought of it. The utopians and pragmatists took the sides they usually take. 

[lisa needs braces]

Well put.

[drogulus]

     How Vietnam has reacted to the death of John McCain

Vietnamese Ambassador to the United States Ha Kim Ngoc also praised McCain, telling Vietnam News that he could remember meeting the senator in the 1990s as he was working to improve relations with Vietnam.

"McCain deserves credit for promoting the Vietnam-U.S. relations and later, the comprehensive partnership between the two countries," Ngoc was quoted as saying. The ambassador added that even during his illness, McCain paid attention to Vietnam-related issues.

At Hanoi's Truc Bach Lake, a monument marks McCain's capture there on Oct. 27, 1967. Over the past couple of days, a number of Vietnamese well-wishers and foreigners have visited the spot to pay their respects to the late senator, leaving flowers and incense at a makeshift shrine.

     

[milk]

You're right, it has little to nothing to do with liking him or not, rather with his blocking information as to MIA's in Vietnam when the Americans pulled out. It's funny that the Dems castigated him when he was running against Obama as being a racist but as soon as he became an anti-Trumper, he was their guy. If he were honest, he should have switched parties, rather than to pretend he was Republican. It is curious that he was pals with a scurrilous piece of work, Ted Kennedy. 

How can one forget his renditions of "Bom, Bom Bom...Bom, Bomb Iran? " He had to repeat it over and over to convince himself it was funny, which it wasn't.

Perhaps he was part of the democrat pedophile ring that your man Tump is getting to the bottom of. I saw the Q people were in the White House. 

[zamyrabyrd]

Not everybody liking McCain is a rationalization for the President's narcissistic petulance.
There ya go.

McCain specifiied in his will he didn't want Trump at his funeral.
That in itself says a LOT.

[zamyrabyrd]

Vietnam Veterans Against McCain is exactly the group of sleazebags you would imagine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Veterans_Against_John_McCain

"In 2004, Kiley and Sampley formed a similar group targeting another Vietnam veteran, John Kerry [...]"

John Kerry of the swift boat confabulation, right!
https://www.truthorfiction.com/kerry-swiftboats/

The Swift Boat Veterans, however, claim that Kerry lied in his account of what happened on the river.
One of the veterans who says he was there, Van Odell, says his is one of seven eyewitness accounts and that Kerry was not under enemy fire when he pulled Rassmann out of the river. He told "Fox New Sunday" on August 22, 2004 that "There was no enemy fire from either bank."

[SimonNZ]

John Kerry of the swift boat confabulation, right!
https://www.truthorfiction.com/kerry-swiftboats/

The Swift Boat Veterans, however, claim that Kerry lied in his account of what happened on the river.
One of the veterans who says he was there, Van Odell, says his is one of seven eyewitness accounts and that Kerry was not under enemy fire when he pulled Rassmann out of the river. He told "Fox New Sunday" on August 22, 2004 that "There was no enemy fire from either bank."

The "Swift Boat" nonsense is a widely discredited smear campaign.

And you're criticisong a guy who actually served in Vietnam while praising someone who dodged going with a bogus claim of bone spurs and bragged of partying his time away instead.

But you're going to question Kerry's record? And McCain's? How does this work in your head?

[zamyrabyrd]

   
The Swift Boaters lied about people who wanted to heal the breach with Vietnam. That's what high quality warmongers do, win the peace even if they couldn't win the war. Smith and Dornan were premature Trumpists.

This raises the bar for incredulity: "premature Trumpists" even before the notion of his being president ever crossed anyone's head.
Who was a warmonger? Mr. Bom. bom, Bomb Iran, the same Mr. "Wet Start".

USS Forrestal, You Decide McCain's Complicity
https://www.real.video/5827021217001

[(poco) Sforzando]

McCain specifiied in his will he didn't want Trump at his funeral.
That in itself says a LOT.

I wouldn't want Trump at my funeral either. Would you want him at yours?

[Karl Henning]

McCain specifiied in his will he didn't want Trump at his funeral.
That in itself says a LOT.

It says a lot about you, that you think this says a lot only about McCain.

[Karl Henning]

And you're [criticizing] a guy who actually served in Vietnam while praising someone who dodged going with a bogus claim of bone spurs and bragged of partying his time away instead.

That's our zb, in a nutshell.  In fact, it says a LOT about zb.

[Florestan]

McCain specifiied in his will he didn't want Trump at his funeral.
That in itself says a LOT.

Hey, even the last wish of a dead man walking is usually fulfilled without questioning the motives.

What it says is that McCain surely must have some reasons to dislike Trump. And I think that a Vietnam veteran and former POW could have stomached a lot of nasty things or behaviour, so the reasons must be indeed strong and compelling --- for him, not for you of course. He specified it in his will so it should be fulfilled and that is all. De mortuis nil nisi bene.

[milk]

John Kerry of the swift boat confabulation, right!
https://www.truthorfiction.com/kerry-swiftboats/

The Swift Boat Veterans, however, claim that Kerry lied in his account of what happened on the river.
One of the veterans who says he was there, Van Odell, says his is one of seven eyewitness accounts and that Kerry was not under enemy fire when he pulled Rassmann out of the river. He told "Fox New Sunday" on August 22, 2004 that "There was no enemy fire from either bank."

Kerry has got buddies that supported him too. Which of Tump's war buddies support him? I mean who was at studio 54 that can attest to his "battle" prowess? You know how this goes. Days is night. People who risked their lives are really in question and the fat sweaty playboy is the true hero of our time. What trash have you been gathering around? Sorry, but it really stinks like piss and waste. Your bunch is rotten.   

[BasilValentine]

McCain specifiied in his will he didn't want Trump at his funeral.
That in itself says a LOT.

Yes. It says:
1) He wanted to spare those he loved the discomfort of having to rub elbows with such a vile specimen
2) He didn't want his grave pissed on before he was in it
3) He recognizes a senseless distraction when he sees one
4) Funerals are for those capable of feeling human empathy
5) He was kind enough to save Trump from another inevitable public embarrassment

[drogulus]

This raises the bar for incredulity: "premature Trumpists" even before the notion of his being president ever crossed anyone's head.
Who was a warmonger? Mr. Bom. bom, Bomb Iran, the same Mr. "Wet Start".

USS Forrestal, You Decide McCain's Complicity
https://www.real.video/5827021217001

     You apparently don't understand that accusations don't need to be true to be useful. One seeks truth for itself, because wanting to know is more important than wanting to accuse.

     https://www.youtube.com/v/JIjenjANqAk

     This poor woman wants her beliefs to be true more than have what's true be her beliefs. Seeking what's true means a willingness to recognize false beliefs even if the believer is you, especially if the believer is you.