Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)

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Daverz

Quote from: JBS on March 29, 2020, 06:34:35 PM
It is said that the PPE stockpile was depleted in 2009 with H1N1 outbreak, and never filled back up.  I have seen a counterclaim that in fact our low stockpile was the result of charitably sending China most of it when COVID19 first started there.  Where the truth is,  will probably come out in the end.

But what is more definitely known is that Obama's administration at one point wargamed a viral pandemic scenario, found the result catastrophic, and then did little or nothing about it beyond leaving Trump's team a warning that they might need to something about it.  Team Trump did nothing, of course, but that does not excuse Obama's administration.

Anything Obama did to prepare was fucked away by Trump and McConnell.  Anything Obama might have done would have been fucked away by Trump and McConnell.  Trump had 3 years in office to prepare, 2 of them with his party controlling all branches of the federal government and the majority of state legislatures and much of the judiciary.  But Obama just didn't do enough.   Another great example of Murc's Law.

SimonNZ

Quote from: JBS on March 29, 2020, 06:34:35 PM

BTW, the 100,000 derives from an estimate by Fauci that the US would have millions of cases of COVID19, and a death toll of at least 100,000 but possibly as much as 200,000.

Oh I know. I'm remarking on how Trump keeps moving the goalposts of what success looks like and contradicting his previous statements and predictions and assertions as though he never made them. Also the way 100, 000 is just some whatever statistic, not an epic tragedy that will touch everyone.

JBS

Quote from: SimonNZ on March 29, 2020, 07:06:08 PM
Oh I know. I'm remarking on how Trump keeps moving the goalposts of what success looks like and contradicting his previous statements and predictions and assertions as though he never made them. Also the way 100, 000 is just some whatever statistic, not an epic tragedy that will touch everyone.

Fair enough. He does that so often that one just assumes it's there and everyone can see it in plain view, like seeing the color of the sky.


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JBS

Quote from: Daverz on March 29, 2020, 06:50:22 PM
Anything Obama did to prepare was fucked away by Trump and McConnell.  Anything Obama might have done would have been fucked away by Trump and McConnell.  Trump had 3 years in office to prepare, 2 of them with his party controlling all branches of the federal government and the majority of state legislatures and much of the judiciary.  But Obama just didn't do enough.   Another great example of Murc's Law.

I was pointing out that bureaucratic incompetence is not the monopoly of the party that claims it doesn't like bureaucracy.


Replace Democrats with the media in Murc's Law and it becomes a statement of the obvious.  The media chattered so much about collusion and impeachment that it effectively kept everyone else from noticing all those bad policy ideas.

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JBS

Since I raised this point, I want to post this regarding the PPE stockpile. We did send it to China.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1225836989393534976

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71 dB

acb NEWS poll:

Enthusiasm among Trump / Biden supporters

Very: 53 % / 24 %
Somewhat: 32 % / 49 %
Not so or not at all: 14 % / 26 %

Looks very promising for Trump's re-election, but nobody knows what will happen, Corona virus and all... ...however Biden is a very weak candidate and in fact lacking in every metric to Hillary Clinton at this point compared to 2016 and we know what happened back then...  ::)
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Quote from: 71 dB on March 30, 2020, 01:43:09 PM
acb NEWS poll:

Enthusiasm among Trump / Biden supporters

Very: 53 % / 24 %
Somewhat: 32 % / 49 %
Not so or not at all: 14 % / 26 %

Looks very promising for Trump's re-election, but nobody knows what will happen, Corona virus and all... ...however Biden is a very weak candidate and in fact lacking in every metric to Hillary Clinton at this point compared to 2016 and we know what happened back then...  ::)
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SimonNZ

Trump says Republicans would 'never' be elected again if it was easier to vote
President dismissed Democratic-led push for voter reforms amid coronavirus pandemic during Fox & Friends appearance


"Donald Trump admitted on Monday that making it easier to vote in America would hurt the Republican party.

The president made the comments as he dismissed a Democratic-led push for reforms such as vote-by-mail, same-day registration and early voting as states seek to safely run elections amid the Covid-19 pandemic. Democrats had proposed the measures as part of the coronavirus stimulus. They ultimately were not included in the $2.2tn final package, which included only $400m to states to help them run elections.

"The things they had in there were crazy. They had things, levels of voting that if you'd ever agreed to it, you'd never have a Republican elected in this country again," Trump said during an appearance on Fox & Friends. "They had things in there about election days and what you do and all sorts of clawbacks. They had things that were just totally crazy and had nothing to do with workers that lost their jobs and companies that we have to save."

Democrats often accuse Republicans of deliberately making it hard to vote in order to keep minorities, immigrants, young people and other groups from the polls. And Republicans often say they oppose voting reforms because of concerns of voter fraud – which is extremely rare – or concerns over having the federal government run elections. But Trump's remarks reveal how at least some Republicans have long understood voting barriers to be a necessary part of their political self-preservation.

"I don't want everybody to vote," Paul Weyrich, an influential conservative activist, said in 1980. "As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."

Trump's Monday comments showed he saw voter suppression as part of his re-election strategy, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) said in a statement Monday. "Ensuring that Americans can vote during the Covid-19 crisis is fundamental to maintaining our democracy. It is shocking that Trump is essentially admitting that when the American people vote, Republican lose," said Xochitl Hinojosa, a DNC spokeswoman. "Trump knows that suppressing the vote is the only way he and Republicans win in November."[...]


Trump accused of using coronavirus briefing as corporate advertising spot

"Donald Trump was accused on Monday of turning his daily White House coronavirus briefing into an advertising spot for corporate allies, even as the number of US cases topped 160,000.

The president paraded several company leaders in the White House Rose Garden, starting with Mike Lindell, the chief executive of MyPillow, who has become a regular cheerleader for Trump at his campaign rallies.

Trump praised companies for doing their "patriotic duty" by producing or donating medical equipment to meet America's most urgent needs. "What they're doing is incredible," he said. "These are great companies."

He went on to invite Lindell, Darius Adamczyk of Honeywell, Debra Waller of Jockey International, David Taylor of Procter & Gamble and Greg Hayes of United Technologies to make short speeches. He introduced Lindell as a "friend" and riffed: "Boy, do you sell those pillows, it's unbelievable what you do."

Lindell then stood at the presidential podium and said his company has dedicated 75% of its manufacturing to producing cotton face masks. "By Friday I want to be up to 50,000 a day," he said, going on to thank Trump for his "call to action".

Then, in a bizarre gear change, Lindell went into campaign rally mode and referenced the date of Trump's election. "God gave us grace on November 8, 2016, to change the course we were on," he said. "God had been taken out of our schools and lives, a nation had turned its back on God.

"I encourage you to use this time at home to get back in the word, read our Bibles and spend time with our families."
[...]

JBS

Quote from: 71 dB on March 30, 2020, 01:43:09 PM
acb NEWS poll:

Enthusiasm among Trump / Biden supporters

Very: 53 % / 24 %
Somewhat: 32 % / 49 %
Not so or not at all: 14 % / 26 %

Looks very promising for Trump's re-election, but nobody knows what will happen, Corona virus and all... ...however Biden is a very weak candidate and in fact lacking in every metric to Hillary Clinton at this point compared to 2016 and we know what happened back then...  ::)
That does not matter. 
If the virus is under control by early fall and the economy starting to come back, Trump will win.
If the economy is not starting to come back or if the virus is not fully under control (the latter would automatically keep the economy depressed) , Trump will lose.
It does not matter who his opponent might be. If it was George Washington running with the Virgin Mary as VP, it would be the same.

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steve ridgway

"The things they had in there were crazy. They had things, levels of voting that if you'd ever agreed to it, you'd never have a Republican elected in this country again," Trump said during an appearance on Fox & Friends.

Wow - this is supposed to be a democracy?  :o

Herman

Quote from: steve ridgway on March 30, 2020, 08:30:43 PM
"The things they had in there were crazy. They had things, levels of voting that if you'd ever agreed to it, you'd never have a Republican elected in this country again," Trump said during an appearance on Fox & Friends.

Wow - this is supposed to be a democracy?  :o

This Republican voter surpression thing used to be hush hush.
With a blabbermouth like Trump (just imagine all the things he would say if he drank!) it's coming out in the open, as campaign gifts to the Dems.

71 dB

Quote from: Herman on March 30, 2020, 11:26:03 PM
t's coming out in the open, as campaign gifts to the Dems.

The Dems don't know how to use these gifts.
They bungle up everything.
Even the impeachment efforts just increased Trump's approval rating by 5 % points.
Amazing incompetence!
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Quote from: JBS on March 30, 2020, 05:09:41 PM
That does not matter. 
If the virus is under control by early fall and the economy starting to come back, Trump will win.
If the economy is not starting to come back or if the virus is not fully under control (the latter would automatically keep the economy depressed) , Trump will lose.
It does not matter who his opponent might be. If it was George Washington running with the Virgin Mary as VP, it would be the same.

So only the virus matters?  Doesn't that mean the US democratic process needs vaccination against Corona virus? Too bad the general election comes sooner than the vaccine it seems...

I understand your logic, even agree to it, but unlike you, I see shades of gray. How bad is the virus situation? How bad is the economy? There is a line which flips the election to Biden (maybe Andrew Cuomo) or Trump. This line is moving all the time. That's why these polls matter.
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     Trump pushes $2 trillion infrastructure package in next coronavirus bill, saying it must be 'VERY BIG & BOLD'

     Trump has found it useful to recruit an army of econo-bots from among the right wing shrinksters. Now in pursuit of a higher cause, his reelection, he needs something that will work, which ordinarily is occupied territory. There will be a big argument over the shape of the plan, and there should be. The pandemic will limit how quickly we rebuild.

     As per usual there will be an effort to not learn the same lesson we don't learn every time a crash occurs. That way we can cling to bad ideas about where spending comes from, and waste valuable time thinking up neat answers.

     
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JBS

He's been promising Big Infrastructure since he was campaigning in 2016, correct?

This is just an attempt to adapt that to the current situation.

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drogulus

Quote from: JBS on March 31, 2020, 05:04:07 PM


This is just an attempt to adapt that to the current situation.

     Of course it is. I don't mind, I only care about getting it done.
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Quote from: JBS on March 31, 2020, 05:04:07 PM
He's been promising Big Infrastructure since he was campaigning in 2016, correct?

This is just an attempt to adapt that to the current situation.

No. It's just the latest application of a lifelong strategy: using someone else's money to clean up the latest shit stain he's left. (Atonement for and distraction from the death toll his incompetence abetted.) You know he's in deep shit if he's actually threatening to do something useful.

SimonNZ

McConnell claims impeachment 'diverted the attention' of Trump administration from coronavirus response

"Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Tuesday that the impeachment of President Trump distracted the administration's attention away from the coronavirus crisis, defending the president amid criticism of the delayed U.S. response to the pandemic.

In an interview with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, McConnell blamed the Democratic-led impeachment effort, even though Trump was acquitted by the Senate on Feb. 5 — more than three weeks before the first coronavirus death in the United States."

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as somebody responded elsewhere:

CDC issues warning: Jan 8.

Trump acquitted: Feb 5.

Trump campaign rallies:
Jan 9
Jan 14
Jan 28
Jan 30
Feb 10
Feb 19
Feb 20
Feb 21
Feb 28

Trump golfs:
Jan 18
Jan 19
Feb 1
Feb 15
Mar 7
Mar 8

Trump admits virus might be a problem:
Mar 13.


somebody else commented that knowing the fix was in right from the outset that shouldn't have been any distraction at all - even if you accept the premise that a president couldn't be expected to deal with two problems at once

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OH NO: Trump Doesn't Understand "Per Capita".

Also, Trump claimed the population of Seoul is 38 million when it's "only" a little under 10 million (metropolitan area 25-26 million). The ELEVATION of Seoul is 38 m (meters) above sea level, so maybe Trump thought 38 m means 38 million people and perhaps elevation means the same as population.  ;D

This guy is on path of having four more years. Amazing!  ???
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