Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)

[Herman]

The Deep State and Left tried to impeach the president the moment he took office and you dare talk about a civil war?

The war has already begun, buddy, and we won't surrender or be silenced by the forces you represent.

Ah... the people who are constantly shouting over everone else, claiming they are being "silenced" and have no outlet for the voice.

There is no such thing as the "Deep State". It's a fiction made up by Bannon et al. It is true that people have tried to hold Trump to some standards of law, but those attempts failed because of the GOP majority in the Senate and SCOTUS  -  God forbid one should call those Deep Something.

The "Left" aka "Radical / Far Left" doesn't exist either. There are some people somewhat left of what used to be the center, that is all. Just a handful. By constantly calling people who look at things differently than you Socialists or Communists you're trying to Other them  -  turning them into enemies making sure they get plagued by 24/7 death threats.

You forgot to mention you're not a diehard Trumpist, just the voice of reason or some such fake disclaimer.

[arpeggio]

I can not believe the short memories some of our members have.

During the impeachment trial members of the Trump movement and Trump were threatening a civil war if the Senate removed him from office.  I do not think I need to provide links to support this.  They are easy to find.

It appears that it is reasonable to think the same threats will be made if Trump loses the election.

[Herman]

I can not believe the short memories some of our members have.

During the impeachment trial members of the Trump movement and Trump were threatening a civil war if the Senate removed him from office.  I do not think I need to provide links to support this.  They are easy to find.

It appears that it is reasonable to think the same threats will be made if Trump loses the election.

One constant drumbeat the last four years is Trump and his minions threatening violence if obstructed.

[Karl Henning]

New Fox News poll finds Biden with healthy lead, sends Trump into tailspin

The president is mad that Fox News isn't rigging polls for him.

By Aaron Rupar@atrupar  May 22, 2020, 1:10pm EDT

[arpeggio]

I have observed an interesting trait of the Trump movement.

Whenever a crises occurs it is always the other guys fault.  They are never at fault.

Sounds like Trump.  No wonder Trumpsters like him.  He thinks just like they do.

[Karl Henning]

I have observed an interesting trait of the Trump movement.

Whenever a crises occurs it is always the other guys fault.  They are never at fault.

Sounds like Trump.  No wonder Trumpsters like him.  He thinks just like they do.

Groupthink.

[SimonNZ]

Trump fires back at Michigan AG after she calls him 'petulant child'

President Trump late Thursday fired back at criticism from Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel (D), who called him a "petulant child who refuses to follow the rules" for not wearing a mask during a visit to a Ford plant in the state.

The president responded by suggesting Nessel "was taking out her anger and stupidity" on Ford.

"Do nothing A.G. of the Great State of Michigan, Dana Nessel, should not be taking her anger and stupidity out on Ford Motor — they might get upset with you and leave the state, like so many other companies have — until I came along and brought business back to Michigan. JOBS!" Trump tweeted late Thursday evening.

Before the visit, Nessel had encouraged the president to wear the mask, noting it is required in the state by order of Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) and by Ford company policy.

Earlier on Thursday, Nessel called the president a "child" and said that wearing a mask in public is "no joke."

"The president is a petulant child who refuses to follow the rules, and I have to say, this is no joke," Nessel said in an appearance on CNN.

Nessel responded to Trump's Twitter attacks late Thursday by saying Trump has a problem with the Democratic women that run the state of Michigan.

"Seems like you have a problem with all 3 women who run MI—as well as your ability to tell the truth," she tweeted. "The auto industry has been thriving for years [because] of our incredible auto workers & companies."

Ford said in a statement on Thursday that Trump had worn a mask during part of the plant tour but "later removed the mask for the remainder of the visit."

Trump has avoided wearing a mask on camera, even as public health officials in his task force have encouraged Americans to wear them when physical distancing is not possible.

Democrats, such as Nessel, have criticized him for doing so, saying that he could help normalize the use of wearing protective gear to the public.

"He is portraying the worst possible message to those who can't afford to be on the receiving end," Nessel said CNN on Thursday. "It's very, very concerning."[...]


Trump says he wore a mask at Ford plant — but 'didn't want to give the press the pleasure of seeing it'

...Which doesn't explain why Pence wont either. I suspect they've been given polling that shows their base thinks they look "strong"or "unafraid" or like modern day superheroes without them. And that "leading by example" is "weak".

[JBS]

Because if we wear masks, we've lost to ISIS.  Sort of literally, according to some
https://www.mediaite.com/radio/limbaugh-guest-host-mark-steyn-calls-masks-distancing-sharia-lite-were-adopting-isis-taliban-policies/

[SimonNZ]

Because if we wear masks, we've lost to ISIS.  Sort of literally, according to some
https://www.mediaite.com/radio/limbaugh-guest-host-mark-steyn-calls-masks-distancing-sharia-lite-were-adopting-isis-taliban-policies/

lol

"They actually beheaded a bunch of musicians, I think it was on the Libyan coast, ISIS did, when they caught them with their cellos. Why are we adopting ISIS policies on music?" Steyn asked. He did not give any examples of Americans beheading cellists."


unrelated: we spoke briefly of Chris Wallace the other day and shortly after that I came across a very interesting interview with him on David Axelrod's podcast from shortly after Trump took office. There's a lot on his early life and career and a fun scrappy-but-respectful stretch on the criticsms of Fox. He's an interesting guy I'd like to look into more, especially as I've only now learned that he also did an interview with Putin and gave him a more serious pushback than he's had from the likes of Oliver Stone.

But he says something that I've heard from others that I can't buy: that the "News" part of Fox is distinct from the "Opinion" part, and the news in fair and the opimion merely opinion. Axelrod didn't want to venture that far into an argument, but I was sitting there thinking that if Steve Bannon is feeding new conspiracy theories to Hannity for Trump to view and then promote as fact then you've gone beyond mere opinion into sumething much more insidious, almost a shadow government. Also that the "news" segment of Fox And Friends is barely distinct from Hannity and Carlson, certainly not the clear distinction Wallace suggests..

This, admittedly is based only on episodes or sections I've watched through links, but that's now a not insignificant number.

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/turner-podcast-network/the-axe-files-presented-by-the-university-of-chicago-institute/e/48793054?autoplay=true

[JBS]

The Deep State is a reality and Operation Hurricane, the Mueller Investigation, the Ukraine whistleblower (a career bureaucrat), impeachment by a partisan HOR all prove this reality. Powerful Republicans and Democrats both took part in the shenanigans. You threaten the status quo of the power elites and this is what happens, the administrative state does everything it can to destroy you. Trump was rich and powerful enough to counter the attack but his presidency has been seriously compromised and that is what the Deep State wanted, if they couldn't impeach him.

Go ahead and respond with another "nuh uh."

I, and other people have tried to explain to you why  Team Trump really colluded with Russia, why Trump should have been investigated to see if he was a Russian asset, how Trump is just a deeply corrupt grifter, and why the GOP is so addicted to power it enables his corruption, incompetence, and trampling of the Constitution.

If corruption in power really bothered you, you would want Trump out of office.

But you seem impervious to facts that conflict with your fantasy, and completely unbothered by corruption done by the guy you foolishly believe is on your side.

Why should you get anything more than  "nuh uh."

[SimonNZ]

The Deep State is a reality and Operation Hurricane, the Mueller Investigation, the Ukraine whistleblower (a career bureaucrat), impeachment by a partisan HOR all prove this reality. Powerful Republicans and Democrats both took part in the shenanigans. You threaten the status quo of the power elites and this is what happens, the administrative state does everything it can to destroy you. Trump was rich and powerful enough to counter the attack but his presidency has been seriously compromised and that is what the Deep State wanted, if they couldn't impeach him.

Go ahead and respond with another "nuh uh." 

So who specifically are the "deep state" then?

Is it everyone who disagrees with Trump? Is it everyone whose testimony contradicted Trump? Is it impossible to disagree with Trump and honestly believe many of his actions cross the line into illegality without being part of a conspiracy?

Please: name these operatives. Is it every member of the civil service? Ones who have worked under multiple administrations D and R without showing partisanship? The super-vague "status quo power elites" catch-all is persuading nobody.

[JBS]

You really are something else, holding onto nonsense like that. Remember with Watergate there was an actual crime committed and that was the basis of investigation. Regarding Trump it's nothing more than rumors, allegations and smears. I don't think he is a saint, either, but tell me who is at that level. Ron Paul maybe.

Prove it, JBS. You're holding onto fantasy; I'm the realist trying to get you to stop buying into the hysteria and lies being spread.

As I said, you've been presented with the facts, and are impervious to them. You are one of the suckers Trump conned, and like many people who are conned, prefer to deny reality rather than  come to grips with tje fact you've bern conned. You are the one who bought into the hysteria and lies.

[FelixSkodi]

I really can't wait until this thread gets locked again.

[JBS]

Consider the people behind the attacks on Trump I mentioned and those who have persistently called for his impeachment or resignation. Obama, Rice, Comey, McGabe, Rosenstein, Brennan, Clapper, Yates, HRC, Mueller, Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, Schumer, McCain, Romney, Ryan, the Lincoln PAC (Bush supporters who wanted Jeb as president), Soros, Kristol (who represents the disgruntled neoconservatives), etc. CNN, MSNBC and the fake three news outlets have played their part disseminating fake news.

The administrative state is real, it looks after it's own interests and Trump has clearly been a threat to them.

In other words anyone in DC who is sane, has some experience in what they do, and at minimum pretends to be honest and decent even if they aren't.

Trump can't even manage to pretend honesty and decency.

[JBS]

Hard to imagine you are a "conservative libertarian." More like an establishment big government loving liberal. 

The list of failures by those people should frighten you, JBS, but apparently they meet your criteria for conservative libertarianism.

Well, take Trump, imagine someone with all the opinions and character traits diametrically opposite those Trump has, and you would have the perfect conservative/libertarian.

[Herman]

The list of failures by those people should frighten you, JBS, but apparently they meet your criteria for conservative libertarianism.

Trump's failure to respond timely and adequately to corona, however, doesn't seem to bother you one bit, even though tens of thousands of deaths could have been prevented.

[BasilValentine]

You really are something else, holding onto nonsense like that. Remember with Watergate there was an actual crime committed and that was the basis of investigation. Regarding Trump it's nothing more than rumors, allegations and smears. I don't think he is a saint, either, but tell me who is at that level. Ron Paul maybe.

Trump violated the Impoundment Control Act. That's a crime. Look it up.

[Todd]

Trump violated the Impoundment Control Act. That's a crime. Look it up.

Dems should impeach then!

[Herman]

No one else has died outside of America.

yeah, what about that?

In fact people are mortal anyway, so what's the difference if Trump's / Javanka's response was so chaotic many more people died?

[ritter]

Funny, people on this forum still ascribe powers to the president that he does not have.  Just like the president himself.

Funny, for once we agree on something in this thread.

Good day to you, Sir!