Six great twentieth century fifth symphonies excluding Sibelius and Shostakovich

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Sergeant Rock

#60
September 25, 2017, 09:27:57 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 25, 2017, 09:17:35 AM
(And leave it to me to vote twice . . . but never on the same day!)

MI is such a bad influence  ;D

Sarge
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Sergeant Rock

#61
September 25, 2017, 09:29:04 AM
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Karl Henning

#63
September 25, 2017, 09:48:26 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on September 25, 2017, 09:27:57 AM
MI is such a bad influence  ;D

Sarge

In today's vote 0:) I was trying to wedge Martinů in, truly I was.
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Ken B

#65
September 25, 2017, 11:39:55 AM
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on September 25, 2017, 09:48:26 AM
In today's vote 0:) I was trying to wedge Martinů in, truly I was.
Karl
You seem to think that in a list of 6 you are limited to 6. John knows better.

Mirror Image

#66
September 25, 2017, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: Ken B on September 25, 2017, 11:39:55 AM
Karl
You seem to think that in a list of 6 you are limited to 6. John knows better.

;D

SymphonicAddict

#67
September 25, 2017, 04:28:13 PM
Quote from: Christo on September 24, 2017, 10:27:34 PM
Nothing really changed, though I would like to honourably mention:

...
Pyotr Ilich Tchaikovsky
Ludwig van Beethoven
Dmitri Shostakovich

I like so much these choices, but they belong to the 19th century, and the Shostakovich's is against the rules  :P

Christo

#68
September 25, 2017, 10:05:14 PM
Quote from: SymphonicAddict on September 25, 2017, 04:28:13 PMI like so much these choices, but they belong to the 19th century, and the Shostakovich's is against the rules  :P
Oops! I don't get these 'rules': I love Shosta 5 dearly, but it wouldn't have made it to my top 5, only to the first 10. As for Sibelius 5: my top 15.  :D
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vandermolen

#69
September 25, 2017, 11:40:59 PM
Quote from: Christo on September 25, 2017, 10:05:14 PM
Oops! I don't get these 'rules': I love Shosta 5 dearly, but it wouldn't have made it to my top 5, only to the first 10. As for Sibelius 5: my top 15.  :D
Yes, kindly pay attention.
8)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

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Overtones

#70
October 25, 2018, 06:14:46 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on January 16, 2017, 11:25:49 PM
Interesting choices - I especially like Glazunov although my favourite symphonies are 2,3,7,8 and the fragment of No.9 which I find very poignant. Must listen to the Hindemith and Kancheli.

One year after.
Did you end up listening to these?
If yes, I am especially interested in your opinion on Kancheli's, as I am quite partial to the Georgian composer.

vandermolen

#71
October 28, 2018, 01:42:57 AM Last Edit: October 28, 2018, 08:11:45 AM by vandermolen
Quote from: Overtones on October 25, 2018, 06:14:46 AM
One year after.
Did you end up listening to these?
If yes, I am especially interested in your opinion on Kancheli's, as I am quite partial to the Georgian composer.

I realise that I had the Kancheli on Olympia although I haven't listened to it recently. I think it's the one with the harpsichord. If so I enjoyed it although I find the abrupt shifts in volume rather disconcerting. I'm tempted to get the Ondine version which is available quite cheaply but just read a review which compares it adversely to the Olympia. Do you have a view on this? Haven't listened to the Hindemith yet  ::)

PS I've just ordered the Ondine having been impressed by the opening of Symphony 5 on You Tube. I'll report back in due course. I recently I discovered 'Mourned by the Wind' which I thought was excellent.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

#72
October 28, 2018, 03:08:52 AM
I'd add Symphony 5 by Imants Kalnins (1979)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Cato

#73
October 28, 2018, 03:53:53 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 28, 2018, 03:08:52 AM
I'd add Symphony 5 by Imants Kalnins (1979)

Quite a character!  Rock star in Latvia and Politician!

Plus: 

Quote  ...often there is cause for speaking about epigones of Kalniņš. However, it is not in the sense of plagiaristic epigonism, but rather the mark of a powerful musical personality on his peers and their music.,,,

See:

https://www.musicabaltica.com/en/composers-and-authors/kalnins-imants/

Almost sounds like a Greek tragedy: The Epigones of Kalnins   ;)

Thanks for the recommendation: somebody new to investigate!  0:)
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vandermolen

#74
October 28, 2018, 08:04:00 AM
Quote from: Cato on October 28, 2018, 03:53:53 AM
Quite a character!  Rock star in Latvia and Politician!

Plus: 

See:

https://www.musicabaltica.com/en/composers-and-authors/kalnins-imants/

Almost sounds like a Greek tragedy: The Epigones of Kalnins   ;)

Thanks for the recommendation: somebody new to investigate!  0:)

Suspect you'd enjoy it Leo.
😀
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Overtones

#75
October 29, 2018, 01:05:49 AM
Quote from: vandermolen on October 28, 2018, 01:42:57 AM
I realise that I had the Kancheli on Olympia although I haven't listened to it recently. I think it's the one with the harpsichord. If so I enjoyed it although I find the abrupt shifts in volume rather disconcerting. I'm tempted to get the Ondine version which is available quite cheaply but just read a review which compares it adversely to the Olympia. Do you have a view on this? Haven't listened to the Hindemith yet  ::)

PS I've just ordered the Ondine having been impressed by the opening of Symphony 5 on You Tube. I'll report back in due course. I recently I discovered 'Mourned by the Wind' which I thought was excellent.

I don't have a view on different recordings, sorry. I only listened to the youtube video.
Abrut shifts in volume are a signature of Kancheli's though.

vandermolen

#76
October 29, 2018, 10:29:38 PM
Quote from: Overtones on October 29, 2018, 01:05:49 AM
I don't have a view on different recordings, sorry. I only listened to the youtube video.
Abrut shifts in volume are a signature of Kancheli's though.

Yes, that's true but listening again to Symphony 5 I appreciated the work much more or at least the sample that I heard. I've also rather liked James de Priest as a conductor so for about £5.00 I thought it worth investing in his set. I'll report back once I've received it. Not sure if I still have the Olympia CD.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

#77
October 31, 2018, 04:26:30 AM
Quote from: Overtones on October 29, 2018, 01:05:49 AM
I don't have a view on different recordings, sorry. I only listened to the youtube video.
Abrut shifts in volume are a signature of Kancheli's though.

I've just played the Ondine recording of Symphony 5 which
I found gripping, thought-provoking and moving. Thanks for alerting me to it.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

#79
November 02, 2018, 09:31:27 AM
Quote from: bwv 1080 on October 31, 2018, 05:26:31 AM
No love for Hans?

https://www.youtube.com/v/648OWVmbEtU

I know nothing by him other that the 'Raft of the Medusa' which is rather fine.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).
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