Gliere's Third

Started by Sean, July 21, 2007, 12:24:50 AM

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Christo

Quote from: Cato on September 05, 2015, 09:31:50 AMOne example: the "Nachtmusik" nature of the second movement.

Hadn't heard it this way, but you are right. What Gliere has to offer, is a lot of imagination - not dissimilar to that found in Rimsky-Korsakov or Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony, but also some that is more 'modern' and pointing towards Stravinsky's Firebird.
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Maestro267

Il'ya Muromets is one of the most epic symphonies in the repertoire. A masterpiece in the heroic vein of Tchaikovsky's Manfred.

Daverz

Two of the best recordings

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"Unless almost 59 minutes of Ilya Murometz are not enough for you, this performance and recording will knock your socks off." - Richard Kaplan, Fanfare

The excellent Japanese transfer is available from Arkivmusic:

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=180374



vandermolen

Yes, the Ormandy on LP (never on CD  :() was a revelation. If you can immerse yourself in the atmosphere of it it is great fun and moving towards the end.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

aesthetic

Quote from: The new erato on July 22, 2007, 03:08:10 AM
Not a composer I will go out of my way to investigate further, unless there's a red hot recommendation somewhere.

Harp Concerto  :)

Maestro267

Sorry, but how on earth did you find a thread that hasn't been active for 18 months, to quote a post that's nearly NINE YEARS old?! You must have plenty of time and patience on your hands.

North Star

Quote from: Maestro267 on March 02, 2017, 11:30:36 AM
Sorry, but how on earth did you find a thread that hasn't been active for 18 months, to quote a post that's nearly NINE YEARS old?! You must have plenty of time and patience on your hands.
Nearly 10 years old, you mean.  8)
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Maestro267

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Quote from: North Star on March 02, 2017, 11:48:38 AM
Nearly 10 years old, you mean.  8)

Wow, you're right! Even more bizarre then.

(Not bizarre that you're right, I hasten to add.)

Anyway, keeping on topic, recently I've really grown to love what I call the Epilogue of the symphony. After the massive climax, you get many of the symphony's major themes returning, in a more reflective and tragic state, leading to the most achingly gorgeous B minor chord, with the violins starting off really high. It's just gut-wrenchingly beautiful and tragic.

vandermolen

Quote from: Maestro267 on March 02, 2017, 12:12:28 PM
Wow, you're right! Even more bizarre then.

(Not bizarre that you're right, I hasten to add.)

Anyway, keeping on topic, recently I've really grown to love what I call the Epilogue of the symphony. After the massive climax, you get many of the symphony's major themes returning, in a more reflective and tragic state, leading to the most achingly gorgeous B minor chord, with the violins starting off really high. It's just gut-wrenchingly beautiful and tragic.
I agree.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

PerfectWagnerite

Quote from: Maestro267 on March 02, 2017, 12:12:28 PM
Wow, you're right! Even more bizarre then.

(Not bizarre that you're right, I hasten to add.)

Anyway, keeping on topic, recently I've really grown to love what I call the Epilogue of the symphony. After the massive climax, you get many of the symphony's major themes returning, in a more reflective and tragic state, leading to the most achingly gorgeous B minor chord, with the violins starting off really high. It's just gut-wrenchingly beautiful and tragic.

I think there is going to be a time when this piece will be rightfully hailed as a masterpiece without any reservations whatsoever. We are fortunate to have so many fine recordings.

relm1

Quote from: PerfectWagnerite on March 03, 2017, 07:26:05 AM
I think there is going to be a time when this piece will be rightfully hailed as a masterpiece without any reservations whatsoever. We are fortunate to have so many fine recordings.

It's not so much a masterpiece as a culmination of a style.  Russian nationalism utilizing some of the elements of Orientalism (Balakirev's Islamey, Borodin's In the steps of central Asia, Scheherazade, Cui's Orientale, and other semi-historical/mythical legends, etc).  I don't think the style was topped but that doesn't make this work a masterpiece.  Just a culmination of an enjoyable stylistic direction.  I very much enjoy the piece but I take it for what it is.