Glitch music recommendations

[Karl Henning]

One of the myths that was perpetuated around the time that the term "classical music" was coined [...]

But isn't perpetuation a process over time?  It wouldn't yet have been perpetuated at the point of a term's coinage, right?

[some guy]

But isn't perpetuation a process over time?  It wouldn't yet have been perpetuated at the point of a term's coinage, right?

Yes. And although the myth had been forming before 1810, it began to be promoted and actively pushed around that time.

So yeah. Put "was perpetuated" down as me being lazy and sloppy.

But on to happier things. What artists do. Thanks M. Croche for that one. It's a point that cannot be emphasized too much.

[Karl Henning]

Yes. And although the myth had been forming before 1810, it began to be promoted and actively pushed around that time.

So yeah. Put "was perpetuated" down as me being lazy and sloppy.

Oh, my invitation to the clarity was in no way meant to impugn your verbal ethic, dear fellow  0:)

[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

Tsk, Tsk!  "All _____ are ____."

Yeah, right.

That out of the way, I think some (any generation) might just fail to realize how artists have always pushed the limits of the materials / tools they had at their disposal... including taking advantage of 'accidents,' etc.

The high and 'strained' sounding horn notes in a climactic moment in a Beethoven symphony were absolute hell to nail and hold the intonation steady, even for a virtuoso (non-valve) hornist of the day.  No contemporary valve-horn player can come close to getting that sound quality.  Beethoven knew exactly what he was doing, and asking of the player, and the available technology / equipment and its behavior.  "What artists do"

The electronic computer glitches happened due to the (by present comparison) extremely limited memory and processors in the early years of PC's and laptops.  Running audio, the equipment would quite readily choke while playing but a minimum of data load, and that would make these glitches (artifacts.)  Then, as in centuries before, the musicians made something of it vs. editing it out.  "What artists do."

Earlier electronic music had the extremely temperamental synthesizers varying from day to day when using exactly the same wave-forms, filters and settings.  The composers worked with it, without it, and 'against' it when it offered something temporarily different than what they had been planning.  "What artists do."

Too, I have an entirely empiric theory as to why the glitches seemed at all attractive to that generation who ran across them:  they resonated on a somewhat sentimental level, very much recalling the glitches heard when playing back an LP vinyl disc that had small dings or a bit of dust in the grooves, the stylus hissing, 'glitching,' skipping, etc.

This all comes under a bracket of "What artists do," (routinely) back then and now.  I don't see any radical gulf of difference of aesthetics here.


Best regards.

+1

I fear there is a tendency among musicians to make things 'perfect' 'beautiful' and worst of all 'safe'..... imperfections are interesting but what's more interesting are when imperfections are used to their advantage and given a purpose.

[James]

My take on it is that the more work the composer does, the less work the listener has to do.

Untrue. I'd be curious as to how you arrived at this conclusion. As most of the stuff you post is pretty skimpy/empty as a musical experience .. especially compared the guys who really put in the time.

Part of the idea in the fifties--and arguably some few decades before that, even--was that of re-apportioning responsibility more equally. Sure, the composer still has work to do; the performers still have work to do; but now the listeners have even more work to do than ever before. It's no longer about masterpieces and master performances--at least for some people--it's now more about art and beauty and what the listener/observer brings to the situation.

Untrue. And you contradict yourself in the last statement. Musicians & work often deemed 'masterly' reflect more about art and it's potential to create beauty than you seem to understand and it obviously engages those who come & partake.

Simply put, there is more work for each listener to do with new music, especially work of the indeterminate and improvisatory kinds. [...] No longer a mere consumer, guided by wise music pundits, giving easy worship to pieces from the past that no longer have the power they once had to shock and bewilder and infuriate. Now a co-creator, an active participant in the situation, invested and responsible.

Completely untrue and utterly condescending. So many false assumptions. Man your rhetoric is just so empty it's sad. You were obviously misguided by someone (I think I know who) to believe a lot of this - it's just words at the end of the day - not the reality. A case of garbage in, garbage out. And again, most of the stuff you post doesn't require much work, if any - it's pretty empty & invalid.

There are some of us who are content to like what we like without worrying about whether any mavens, self-proclaimed or otherwise, will be granting us the accolade of "good taste" to our aesthetic endeavors. El principal enemigo de la creatividad es el buen gusto. And the guy who said that was still one of the old guard, busily churning out masterpiece after masterpiece. Still. True words. Or perhaps this, from a musician this time: "Down with masterpieces; up with art."

 

Whatever you want to listen to, that's fine. You are what you eat at the end of the day. It's wise to learn from the best. And that last quote is trying to be clever, but it's just dumb imo.

[James]

.... imperfections are interesting but what's more interesting are when imperfections are used to their advantage and given a purpose.

Pop music is riddled with this sort of thing.

[Monsieur Croche]

imperfections are interesting but what's more interesting are when imperfections are used to their advantage and given a purpose.

Pop music is riddled with this sort of thing.

OMG, you mean that  once again, the pop music world has picked up and run with a ball already played in the classical music games?  I'm shocked ;-)

[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

Pop music is riddled with this sort of thing.

I didn't mean it in that way.