Faddish phrases that annoy you.

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North Star

"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

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Karl Henning

Quote from: Scarpia on March 30, 2017, 10:54:37 AM
You think the kids would find it normal to say "don we now our festive apparel"?

Finding the phrasing of traditional carols quaint, rather than normal, isn't the trouble.
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

André

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 30, 2017, 09:14:29 AM
The horse is long gone from out that barn, but I will express—not annoyance—but a little disappointment that gay can probably never be just itself ever again.

My first long-term employment experience was in a bank, and the head teller's name was Gay.  I doubt you'll find many parents naming a daughter thus ever again in the US.

Now, sometimes things can get out of hand. Ask this man:


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/grabher-licence-plate-support-1.4043084


Were it not for last year's trumpist hoopla, this wouldn't be in the news, I'm sure.

North Star

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 30, 2017, 11:28:35 AM
Fauves  8)
I thought of that too, but I wasn't sure whether they adopted the name, too.
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Quote from: North Star on March 30, 2017, 12:05:28 PM
I thought of that too, but I wasn't sure whether they adopted the name, too.
You've a point.

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Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Ken B

Quote from: André on March 30, 2017, 05:46:16 AM
"Poor little snowflake".  The defining insult of 2016 according to the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/nov/28/snowflake-insult-disdain-young-people

No. Snowflake is useful, and it's not an expression of disdain for the young but for the flamboyantly coddled. At the university near me they set up rooms with play-doh and played teddy bear movies to soothe students confronted with opinions they disagree with. Snowflake is apt.

Ken B

Quote from: Brian on March 30, 2017, 08:15:16 AM
"Queer" is very strange because here in the US, it's also a slur, but it is additionally the preferred word of academics - you can study queer theory and take queer literature classes and specialize in queer history. I don't know of many other words that have such a split in connotation depending on who says them.
Sure you do! It's a case of embracing the slur and wearing it as an act of defiance. Paddy historically , or more recently slut and "the n-word" are examples. And queer in this sense goes back decades. "We're here, we're queer, get used to it!"

SurprisedByBeauty

Quote from: Jay F on March 30, 2017, 08:53:50 AM
The use of LGBT or queer instead of gay and/or lesbian. I have heard references on TV series to an "LGBT couple" and an "LGBT household," each of which failed to help me create a mental picture of who the character was trying to describe.


I find "LGBT" a bit irritating, too, because it's a letter-salad and ungainly and also because they keep adding letters to it. I mean, is "LGBT" the latest iteration? I think using it already offends another group for non-inclusion.

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 30, 2017, 09:14:29 AM
The horse is long gone from out that barn, but I will express—not annoyance—but a little disappointment that gay can probably never be just itself ever again.

My first long-term employment experience was in a bank, and the head teller's name was Gay.  I doubt you'll find many parents naming a daughter thus ever again in the US.

Actually, I quite actively contribute to making the word appreciable in its original context again. Obviously we can't revert to the time when it solely meant happy, but we CAN make it ambivalent enough so that people will have to employ context again to appreciate its meaning. It's a wonderful little word. And it should definitely not be left in the hands of those who made it to mean: "mildly shitty/campy".

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on March 30, 2017, 09:41:23 AM
I would also take a moment to praise the correction of the misspelled word in the original thread title. I was going to use that as an example of annoyance though...  :D

8)

You're welcome!

These are not phrases of the kind I meant, per se, but I loath "Pro-active", "impact" used wrong. If a meteor is not involved, don't use it!. And... much worse, still, "impacted". Every time someone uses that, I want to show them the actual meaning of the word, fist to temple.

Monsieur Croche

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Quote from: david johnson on March 30, 2017, 01:55:00 AM

impact - x has an impact rather than impacts
lgbt, lgbtq, and any variant - I've seen this with enough letters that it loses any sensible reference

Impact used as a verb, is severely annoying.  Use as a verb is now listed as 'legitimate' in many dictionaries, but then again, so is "literal" in its "new def" as not meaning literal....

Q: How did Bach impact classical music?
A: When Bach died, he ascended to heaven, where he was found imperfect and unworthy and so was tossed back.  The impact of his body falling from such a great height made a crater on the earth's surface covering approximately the same ground area as the city of Hamburg, Germany."


The LGBTQQIP2SAA community... seriously, folks, I am not making this up. This found in a google search in far less than one second.
Right. when your acronym contains near to half the letters of the alphabet, it is time, folks, to regroup and think up something else, uh, less ridiculous.
~ I'm all for personal expression; it just has to express something to me. ~

amw

Quote from: SurprisedByBeauty on March 30, 2017, 01:22:20 PM
I find "LGBT" a bit irritating, too, because it's a letter-salad and ungainly and also because they keep adding letters to it. I mean, is "LGBT" the latest iteration? I think using it already offends another group for non-inclusion.
Yes, that's the other thing—people using "LGBT" instead of lesbian or gay or bisexual or whatever. There's no such thing as a "LGBT person".

On the same note: "person of colour".

Which is especially irritating when people use it in a western-centric context that doesn't make sense elsewhere, e.g. describing a Japanese person in Japan, where Japanese people make up the vast majority of the population, as a "person of colour". That's not something you can equate to the existence of a minority or indigenous group facing oppression in America or Europe or whatever. Please just say what you mean.

amw

Quote from: Monsieur Croche on April 01, 2017, 02:17:25 AM
Right. when your acronym contains near to half the letters of the alphabet, it is time, folks, to regroup and think up something else, uh, less ridiculous.
That's not our acronym, that's our secret sandwich recipe: lettuce, bacon, gruyère, tomato, avocado, quince jam, aioli, salt & pepper. Extra quince or avocado available on request.

amw

I honestly have no idea.

For those of us who fall into the LGB categories it's helpful where it comes to, like, dating, so you can find out if someone is of a compatible sexual orientation before asking them out or whatever. Things like that. But a lot of the others aren't even sexualities, like, transgender is its own thing. Intersex has nothing to do with sexuality or gender and is just about genetics and stuff. Asexual is a sexuality in the same way bald is a hair colour. I have no idea what most of the other proposed letters stand for, except P for pansexual which in practice is just bisexuality for hipsters.

Monsieur Croche

#73
Quote from: NikF on March 30, 2017, 05:04:47 AM
Analogue Photographer. In my day I started as a film photographer. Then I shot film and digital. Then I was almost exclusively digital. I don't feel I've ever been an analogue photographer, even retrospectively. I think it's another type of self-labelling special snowflake BS.

Having said that, I would be more likely to refer to myself as an analogue photographer if I shot tintype or ambrotype. Or maybe if I were a daguerreotypist who also shot film.

Then again, I don't suppose it's that big a deal. And there are already enough dicks out there who are quick to tell people what they should and shouldn't photograph and in which medium they should go about it. 



e: ;D

It is to distinguish from later digital tech -- just as it was before digital technology existed that no one ever called a watch an 'analogue watch' when that was the only kind there was.

For those of us old enough to have lived through the advent of the new technology and the transition into its commonplace use, some of the newer terms are a bit odd-sounding: these 'retro-appellations' do, for some of us, sound more than a little precious, or 'twee' as the British would have it.

When I got my first electric / digital piano, a musician friend came by my flat, and on the way out, about to lock the door, I said, "Wait.  I have to turn off the piano."  Saying it and hearing it caught me up short, and did seem to both of us more than a little funny.  I too, am not, and have never been, 'an analogue pianist.' I play the piano, and do use a digital piano... but that ain't, ya know, a piano. 

If it is a piano, you can play it -- and it works perfectly -- when the power is out. ;-)
~ I'm all for personal expression; it just has to express something to me. ~

Monsieur Croche

#74
Quote from: André on March 30, 2017, 11:30:12 AM
Now, sometimes things can get out of hand. Ask this man:


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/grabher-licence-plate-support-1.4043084


Were it not for last year's trumpist hoopla, this wouldn't be in the news, I'm sure.

One person complained, and was offended?

Jesus Christ on toast!   This is political Correctness at is absolute worst and most ludicrous, i.e anything but "correct."
~ I'm all for personal expression; it just has to express something to me. ~

Monsieur Croche

Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on March 30, 2017, 05:08:45 AM
I can be lazy and say that it is because I did not seriously turn my thought to it;  but really, I should chide myself for not perceiving umbra in there.

... as in penumbra, or umbrella?

Really, my argument would not be with the word usage as much as just how can Mozart actually 'pre-shadow' anything, let alone Brahms?  This is writing musicology / music history as if it were a novel by an omniscient author with a plan, or "Bzzzz. WRONG!"
~ I'm all for personal expression; it just has to express something to me. ~

NikF

Quote from: Monsieur Croche on April 01, 2017, 02:44:28 AM
It is to distinguish from later digital tech -- just as it was before digital technology existed that no one ever called a watch an 'analogue watch' when that was the only kind there was.

For those of us old enough to have lived through the advent of the new technology and the transition into its commonplace use, some of the newer terms are a bit odd-sounding: these 'retro-appellations' do, for some of us, sound more than a little precious, or 'twee' as the British would have it.

When I got my first electric / digital piano, a musician friend came by my flat, and on the way out, about to lock the door, I said, "Wait.  I have to turn off the piano."  Saying it and hearing it caught me up short, and did seem to both of us more than a little funny.  I too, am not, and have never been, 'an analogue pianist.' I play the piano, and do use a digital piano... but that ain't, ya know, a piano. 

If it is a piano, you can play it when the power is out. ;-)

I still believe there's nothing wrong with sticking to "It's a film camera" or "I'm a film photographer".  ;D
There's a world of difference between some dude booking the studio and filling the place with mercury fumes and another dude who turns up with a roll of HP5 and a Spotmatic and his wife stuffed into a lycra minidress two sizes too small.  But if it's all the same to you... I'll leave it at that.  :laugh:
"You overestimate my power of attraction," he told her. "No, I don't," she replied sharply, "and neither do you".

North Star

And what if you use your digits to operate the film camera?
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

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SurprisedByBeauty

Quote from: amw on April 01, 2017, 02:29:11 AM
That's not our acronym, that's our secret sandwich recipe: lettuce, bacon, gruyère, tomato, avocado, quince jam, aioli, salt & pepper. Extra quince or avocado available on request.

;D :) Ha! I (wait for it!) literally laughed out loud at this. More of a Ha!-snort, but still. Very fucking funny.

Quote from: amw on April 01, 2017, 02:23:29 AM

On the same note: "person of colour".


In a beautiful cumulation of annoyances, namely during discussion on Cultural Appropriation re: Dana Schutz' painting at the Whitney (since withdrawn for causing pain), I've had that pop up as "POC", no less, contrasted to "yt people".

QuoteSeriously though, what is the purpose of singling (themselves?) out as a group?

Perhaps there's a larger trend behind this: segmentation before unification; one has to feel secure, respected, and comfortable in their smaller tribe-unit before then confidently joining a much greater, more heterogeneous tribe. Sortof like Czechoslovakia breaking up and immediately then trying to join the EU.

NikF

Quote from: North Star on April 01, 2017, 03:20:30 AM
And what if you use your digits to operate the film camera?

Iain is here (we're going to a football/soccer match. :o Moi?) and his answer is -

"Tell him I'll use my analogue digits to punch him in the face"

:laugh:
"You overestimate my power of attraction," he told her. "No, I don't," she replied sharply, "and neither do you".