What Opera Are You Listening to Now?

Started by Tsaraslondon, April 10, 2017, 04:29:04 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.

Ganondorf

Quote from: JBS on February 08, 2025, 07:22:42 AMNo, he's more normal about the rest of the operas. If anything, he's too enthusiastic about Fanciulla del West, which he calls "a groundbreaking masterpiece". It's just those two operas that get negative treatment.

Fanciulla is in my opinion the greatest opera after Wagner's Ring cycle.

Der lächelnde Schatten

Quote from: ritter on February 08, 2025, 08:45:41 AMI got to know Respighi's Maria Egiziaca on LP decades ago, and remember having liked it, but haven't listened to it since. The opera was revived in the Teatro Malibran in Venice by the forces of La Fenice, and the performance of March 10, 2024 was recorded and released on DVD and BD by Dynamic.



The work, somewhere in between an opera and an oratorio, tells the story of Mary of Egypt, a prostitute from Alexandria who died a hermit in the year 421 in the Holy Land, after having repented. She is venerated as a saint by various Christian denominations.

Despite the excessively archaising text by Respighi's usual librettist Claudio Guastalla, the short work (a "tryptic" lasting some 70') is quite effective and rather beautiful. The music alternates between "ascetic simplicity" and its composer's trademark orchestral lushness (but is in general restrained and "backward looking"), and the vocal lines are always pleasant to the ear.

The performance is very successful. Pier Luigi Pizzi's simple but attractive staging is very effective, and all singers acquit themselves very well, both vocally and scenically. Soprano Francesca Dotto as Mary is superb, with the physique du rôle and a strong vocal impersonation. And the orchestra led, led by Manlio Benzi, acquits itself very well. Highly recommended to anyone interst in 20th century Italian opera.

This was infinitely superior to this other filmed opera I watched some days ago:



I knew this work from a live recording from the mid 50s with the soprano Anna de Cavalieri (the stage name in Italy of Anne McKnight). I've always thought of Alfano as a minor master who composed some interesting works, and had a fond memory of this Sakùntala. Alas, revisiting it now, it bored me to tears. The initial effect of the orientalist luxuriance of the orchestral backdrop wears thin after a short while, and actually becomes tiresome.

This very provincial looking and sounding 2016 performance from Catania intriguingly uses the reconstructed score from the early 1950s, as the original —La leggenda di Sakùntala— was thought lost when the archives of the publishing house Ricordi were partly destroyed in WW2. But the original 1921 version did reappear at the beginning of this century and was given at the Rome Ooera in 2006.

I believe it was you, Rafael, who led me to explore Respighi's operatic output. I'm glad I did, too. Belfagor, in particular, is a favorite. All of those Lamberto Gardelli recordings on Hungaroton are splendid. They're also rather difficult to find nowadays, so I'm glad I was able to find them all.
"It is not hard to compose, but what is fabulously hard is to leave the superfluous notes under the table." ― Johannes Brahms

Iota

Quote from: JBS on February 08, 2025, 07:22:42 AMNo, he's more normal about the rest of the operas. If anything, he's too enthusiastic about Fanciulla del West, which he calls "a groundbreaking masterpiece". It's just those two operas that get negative treatment.
Quote from: Wendell_E on February 09, 2025, 01:58:59 AMSue me, but I think his points about all three operas are valid, and you don't get to see those liner notes until after you've bought the box.  :laugh:
Quote from: Ganondorf on February 09, 2025, 08:07:50 AMFanciulla is in my opinion the greatest opera after Wagner's Ring cycle.

Well that's very interesting. I've never heard Fanciulla (nor that I can recall, anybody talking about it either), but the above posts have now triggered a great interest do so.

Christo

Quote from: Der lächelnde Schatten on February 10, 2025, 11:37:06 AMI believe it was you, Rafael, who led me to explore Respighi's operatic output. I'm glad I did, too. Belfagor, in particular, is a favorite. All of those Lamberto Gardelli recordings on Hungaroton are splendid. They're also rather difficult to find nowadays, so I'm glad I was able to find them all.
Know only the old Hungaraton version, but adore this & all "late" operas by Respighi. Incrediblly moving stuff, much beyond much "opera", especially big-show-time Puccini, IMHO. :-)
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

Der lächelnde Schatten

Quote from: Christo on February 10, 2025, 04:09:20 PMKnow only the old Hungaraton version, but adore this & all "late" operas by Respighi. Incrediblly moving stuff, much beyond much "opera", especially big-show-time Puccini, IMHO. :-)

How do you feel about the Strauss operas, Johan?
"It is not hard to compose, but what is fabulously hard is to leave the superfluous notes under the table." ― Johannes Brahms

JBS

Quote from: Iota on February 10, 2025, 12:12:12 PMWell that's very interesting. I've never heard Fanciulla (nor that I can recall, anybody talking about it either), but the above posts have now triggered a great interest do so.

It's got one of the most dramatic games of poker ever played.

One of its strengths is that there is an antagonist, but no villian. Rance has the misfortune of wanting to marry a woman who not only doesn't love him, but falls in love with another man. But there's nothing evil about him, and in fact Minnie and he would probably have a happy marriage if she did choose him. But she chose "Johnson" instead.

Hollywood Beach Broadwalk

Christo

Quote from: Der lächelnde Schatten on February 10, 2025, 05:09:24 PMHow do you feel about the Strauss operas, Johan?
Die Fledermaus? Too jolly for me, to be serious. 8)
... music is not only an 'entertainment', nor a mere luxury, but a necessity of the spiritual if not of the physical life, an opening of those magic casements through which we can catch a glimpse of that country where ultimate reality will be found.    RVW, 1948

JBS


Hollywood Beach Broadwalk

Der lächelnde Schatten

Quote from: Christo on February 10, 2025, 10:10:00 PMDie Fledermaus? Too jolly for me, to be serious. 8)

Of course, I meant Richard Strauss. ;)
"It is not hard to compose, but what is fabulously hard is to leave the superfluous notes under the table." ― Johannes Brahms

Lisztianwagner

Quote from: Der lächelnde Schatten on February 11, 2025, 10:30:58 AMOf course, I meant Richard Strauss. ;)
As a matter of fact, it would have been too strange to believe in you listening to Johann Strauss! ;)
"You cannot expect the Form before the Idea, for they will come into being together." - Arnold Schönberg

Lisztianwagner

Richard Wagner
Götterdämmerung, act 3^

Daniel Barenboim & Chor und Orchester der Bayreuther Festspiele


"You cannot expect the Form before the Idea, for they will come into being together." - Arnold Schönberg

Der lächelnde Schatten

Quote from: Lisztianwagner on February 11, 2025, 10:55:27 AMAs a matter of fact, it would have been too strange to believe in you listening to Johann Strauss! ;)

Perhaps not now considering how I've been listening to a good bit of Bach, Handel and Vivaldi lately. ;D
"It is not hard to compose, but what is fabulously hard is to leave the superfluous notes under the table." ― Johannes Brahms

Lisztianwagner

Quote from: Der lächelnde Schatten on February 11, 2025, 11:19:44 AMPerhaps not now considering how I've been listening to a good bit of Bach, Handel and Vivaldi lately. ;D
Touché  ;D
"You cannot expect the Form before the Idea, for they will come into being together." - Arnold Schönberg

Kalevala


JBS

#4454
Quote from: Kalevala on February 11, 2025, 11:30:55 AMI'd like to hear that one as I like both of those artists.

K

It's a nice recording, but I'm finding myself preferring the Puccini version so far.

ETA
The end of the Third Act is a superb duet.

And of course the librettists (and Prevost if the name originated with him) can't have known what 21st century film studios could produce when creating the Fourth Act.

Hollywood Beach Broadwalk

Kalevala

Quote from: JBS on February 11, 2025, 11:35:07 AMIt's a nice recording, but I'm finding myself preferring the Puccini version so far.
Oh, I love this version with Victoria de los Angeles...particularly "Adieu, nôtre petite table":


K
 


Tsaraslondon

Quote from: Kalevala on February 11, 2025, 11:49:44 AMOh, I love this version with Victoria de los Angeles...particularly "Adieu, nôtre petite table":


K
 



Me too. I prefer the Massenet opera, which gets us closer to the spirit of the original novel than the Puccini, and I love the De Los Angeles/Monteux recording.
\"A beautiful voice is not enough.\" Maria Callas

Kalevala

Quote from: JBS on February 11, 2025, 11:35:07 AMIt's a nice recording, but I'm finding myself preferring the Puccini version so far.

ETA
The end of the Third Act is a superb duet.

And of course the librettists (and Prevost if the name originated with him) can't have known what 21st century film studios could produce when creating the Fourth Act.

Boy, I'll have to see if I can watch that.

K

nico1616

This must be one of the best Cosi's I have heard. Great conducting and the ensembles are superb. Moreover, one of the best Alfonso's in Ezio Flagello and Leontyne Price is a Fiordiligi to die for. I never expected the great Aida would be suited for this role.

The first half of life is spent in longing for the second, the second half in regretting the first.

André



Splendid vocal and dramatic impersonations from Simoneau (Hoffmann), Alarie (Olympia), Danco (Giulietta and Antonia). Splitting the female roles between the two singers was a wise move, as the tessitura and vocal colouring varies a lot (Olympia especially). Perfect french diction as well, always a plus in my book.

George London is a black-voiced Coppelius, Dapertutto, Dr Miracle and Lindorf. I would have liked more insinuating, less brutal portrayals, but he's certainly characterful. Lucretia West is a good Nicklausse. The Wiener Staatsoper Chor's French is better than most of the non-francophone singers'.

The sound is quite rough, with distortion, clouding and crumbling in the loud passages etc. At least the vocal timbres are correctly rendered.