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Re: Liszt - Années de Pèlerinage
« Reply #80 on: January 14, 2019, 07:18:50 AM »
Have you heard Jerome Lowenthal?
I have not. (The only other versions I know well enough to comment on are Daniel Grimwood on an Erard & Chamayou & Bolet.) What’s special about it?

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« Reply #81 on: January 14, 2019, 07:24:12 AM »
I have not. (The only other versions I know well enough to comment on are Daniel Grimwood on an Erard & Chamayou & Bolet.) What’s special about it?

It seems to me to make the music sound as though it’s looking forward to early C20 ideas.
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« Reply #82 on: January 14, 2019, 05:23:06 PM »
Add Ragna Schirmer for a complete set and Enrico Pace for years 1 & 2 only to those PerfectWagnerite listed, and those are the best ones to my taste.  The Gorus is regularly available on the cheap.
I just downloaded the Schirmer. Sprinkled between movements/tracks of the Années de Pèlerinage are various Madrigals? Is that what the cd version is like? Very strange.

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« Reply #83 on: January 15, 2019, 09:18:05 AM »
Many thanks for all the recommendations: Gorus has two 5-star reviews on Amazon.

Daniel Trifonov has not yet recorded this work?  Many people liked his Transcendental Etudes.
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Re: Liszt - Années de Pèlerinage
« Reply #84 on: January 15, 2019, 09:42:43 AM »
I just downloaded the Schirmer. Sprinkled between movements/tracks of the Années de Pèlerinage are various Madrigals? Is that what the cd version is like? Very strange.

Yes, exactly the same ... the CD comes with a big booklet though, a faux-notebook of Schirmer's with reflections on the music and a kind of travelogue, which puts the pieces in relation, i.e. the Este clan is mentioned - "Les jeux d'eaux à la Villa d'Este" - and their sponsorship of musicians like Marenzio and Gesualdo ... so it all kinda stays on the surface but still offers a bit of a perspective on the music.

Fine recording.

Not sure I am competent to list favourites, but one I like a lot is by Muza Rubackyte on Lyrinx - guess it's not too easy to find though.
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« Reply #85 on: January 15, 2019, 10:31:22 AM »
Many thanks for all the recommendations: Gorus has two 5-star reviews on Amazon.

Daniel Trifonov has not yet recorded this work?  Many people liked his Transcendental Etudes.
No, Trifonov hasn't recorded Années de Pélerinage. You can't go wrong with the Gorus recording, though.

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Re: Liszt - Années de Pèlerinage
« Reply #86 on: January 16, 2019, 05:46:07 PM »
Gorus' performance of the third Petrarch sonata is one of my top 10 favorite piano performances of anything, by anyone, ever. It's like Celibidache on piano, but even better, and as delicate as a dream.

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« Reply #87 on: January 16, 2019, 06:25:10 PM »
Whenever I hear Arrau play them I'm left sad that he didn't record all three suites. Muza Rubackyte remains my overall favorite for a complete set.

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Re: Liszt - Années de Pèlerinage
« Reply #88 on: January 16, 2019, 11:35:38 PM »
Finally found the Chamayou for an affordable price ... looking foward!
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« Reply #89 on: January 17, 2019, 03:26:30 AM »
Yes, exactly the same ... the CD comes with a big booklet though, a faux-notebook of Schirmer's with reflections on the music and a kind of travelogue, which puts the pieces in relation, i.e. the Este clan is mentioned - "Les jeux d'eaux à la Villa d'Este" - and their sponsorship of musicians like Marenzio and Gesualdo ... so it all kinda stays on the surface but still offers a bit of a perspective on the music.

Fine recording.

Not sure I am competent to list favourites, but one I like a lot is by Muza Rubackyte on Lyrinx - guess it's not too easy to find though.

I recently found Mūza Rubackyté's set for a very reasonable price; same with Bertrand Chamayou's set a few months ago. Like you I can't list favourites, but I like these two sets a lot.
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Re: Liszt - Années de Pèlerinage
« Reply #90 on: January 17, 2019, 08:13:46 AM »
Gorus' performance of the third Petrarch sonata is one of my top 10 favorite piano performances of anything, by anyone, ever. It's like Celibidache on piano, but even better, and as delicate as a dream.

Do you like the rest of his set, Brian?
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« Reply #91 on: January 17, 2019, 12:45:25 PM »
Do you like the rest of his set, Brian?
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Re: Liszt - Années de Pèlerinage
« Reply #92 on: February 02, 2019, 11:42:03 AM »




In 2017, I finally got my hands on Enrico Pace's incomplete set of the Années.  The set has some of the best Liszt playing I've heard.  Now, I belatedly got my hands of Francesco Piemontesi's recording of Suisse, and it's much the same.  Piemontesi's Liszt is sort of anti-virtuosic, like Kempff's, but Piemontesi does occasionally play with ample technical swagger.  Vallée d'Obermann is chock full of such playing.  But the same piece also has some almost ridiculously gentle and beautiful playing.  Julian Gorus pushes his pianissimo playing to Yaeko Yamane levels, and Piemontesi does, too, though when the Swiss pianist does it, it sounds sweeter.  And there's lyricism aplenty throughout.  Au lac de Wallenstadt is a lyrical dream.  So is Eglogue.  The bells in Les cloches de Genève chime gently, at least to start.  Piemontesi does indeed deliver grander playing in passages in the opening piece, in Orage, and elsewhere as appropriate, but, at least for me, it is the almost hypnotic beauty and poetry that the pianist delivers that enthralls.  I'm hoping, really hoping, that Piemontesi does the right discographical thing and records all three years.  The encore of the second Legend also indicates that he should record more Liszt, like, say, the Harmonies.

I went the high res download route rather than the physical media route here, and the sound is SOTA.

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Re: Liszt - Années de Pèlerinage
« Reply #93 on: June 09, 2019, 07:39:58 AM »



Italie.  More anti-virtuosic, Kempffian magic occasionally displaying ample technical swagger.  The recording opens with the first Legende, and Piemontesi's delicate touch mesmerizes, though the recording deceives.  Close with added reverb, one turns up the volume without taking into account what happens when the pianist turns up the wick.  As luck would have it, the sound quality is such that, and Piemontesi's tone is such that, the listener not only doesn't mind the almost oppressive volume, but welcomes it, especially with such rich lower registers.  Piemontesi's fingers glide along the keyboard most of the time, creating an almost hypnotic effect.  And then comes the main attraction. Each of the seven pieces of the second year are almost perfectly characterized.  (Do note the number of pieces; Venezia e Napoli is not included.  <Insert sad face emoji>)  Sposalizio borders on the too magnificent, Il penseroso on the too serious.  Borders, mind you, borders.  Canzonetta del Salvator Rosa maintains nearly ridiculous levels of beauty and a dandy rhythmic sense, but not to the point where rhythm dominates.  The three Petrarch Sonnets sound lovely, and Piemontesi shows that he can go gorgeous, delicate, and nuanced as well as just about anyone, including Julian Gorus.  The relative weak link is the Dante Sonata, which does not become as super-heated as some other versions.  Of course, it does not need to, so that's not so much a knock as a statement.  Maybe it prevents the recording from being a 10.  Six nines ain't shabby.

SOTA sound for the now complete 24/96 download tracks.  (The initial release truncated the last two tracks.)

I demand the supplement and Year Three, dammit!
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Re: Liszt - Années de Pèlerinage
« Reply #94 on: October 01, 2021, 10:15:59 AM »
Does anyone know and rate the very recent complete recording including the supplement by Suzana Bartal and the Books one to three without the Supplement by Michele Campanella? Also a new recording of Book 1 by Steven Hough.

I agree with Todd that the final book and the supplement by Francesco Piemontesi would be most welcome as the first two books are superb. I think Steven Osborne would do a fine job on all 3 books if he was so inclined.

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« Reply #95 on: October 01, 2021, 10:27:20 AM »
I was listening to this work a lot a few months ago when I was reading a Haruki Murakami book called Colorless Tsukuru Tazaki & his Years of Pilgrimage, obviously inspired by Liszt's music. The recording I have is Aldo Ciccolini, and it's very fine. I just ordered the Berman/DG, the preferred recording by one of the characters in the book. Looking forward to listening to it.

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« Reply #96 on: October 01, 2021, 11:48:38 AM »
I agree with Todd that the final book and the supplement by Francesco Piemontesi would be most welcome as the first two books are superb.

I've exchanged some messages with Francesco earlier this year and asked him about this. He won't record the third year soon, alas, but he recorded the Sonata and the Etudes between April and May for a Pentatone release in late 2022/early 2023. Before that, there is a concerto CD (Schoenberg, Ravel, Oiseaux Exotiques) with Jonathan Nott/Orchestre de la Suisse Romande.

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« Reply #97 on: October 01, 2021, 04:21:50 PM »
Does anyone know and rate the very recent complete recording including the supplement by Suzana Bartal


Decent, but lacking in either supreme virtuosity or delicate poetry.  Superb sound, though.



Michele Campanella?


I bought the download at the start of the year, but I never transferred it to my main rig external drive.  Now I have something to listen to this weekend.
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Re: Liszt - Années de Pèlerinage
« Reply #98 on: October 02, 2021, 03:58:21 AM »
I’ve always had a soft spot for the 3 book 2008 recording by Daniel Grimwood on an Erard. Lots of life and interesting sonorities - surprised it only got a passing mention in this thread.

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« Reply #99 on: October 02, 2021, 11:39:55 AM »
I’ve always had a soft spot for the 3 book 2008 recording by Daniel Grimwood on an Erard. Lots of life and interesting sonorities - surprised it only got a passing mention in this thread.

I like it, too!
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