Started by ComposerOfAvantGarde, April 30, 2017, 03:39:18 PM
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Quote from: jessop on April 30, 2017, 03:39:18 PMI'm interested to hear from those who don't have a huge interest in opera as to what you like and don't like about it, and particularly what operas you have listened to to form your opinions about it and what you like/don't like about them.
Quote from: jessop on April 30, 2017, 03:39:18 PMSo is opera like just some kind of different world to other classical music? Ever since I started going on music forums like this one it seems as if opera has its own fans and devotees and most people either avoid it, don't listen to very much, or are committed for life to opera and only (or almost only) opera.I'm interested to hear from those who don't have a huge interest in opera as to what you like and don't like about it, and particularly what operas you have listened to to form your opinions about it and what you like/don't like about them.
Quote from: Florestan on May 01, 2017, 05:48:07 AMInterestinfg thread!When I was about 14, Zefirelli's filmed Carmen with Placido Domingo and Julia Migenes-Johnson was a blast --- I've seen it on cinema twice on my own and a third time with my parents, whom I urged to join me. It was one of my first experiences with classical music --- love at first sight. To this day, it is my favorite opera.I must confess, though, that I'm not a regular opera listener. There could be months between two consecutive operas I listen to. There could also be a month-long opera binge.Frankly, I am interested less in the action than I am in the music itself, that's why I don't mind silly librettos as long as the music is gorgeous, for instance Il viaggio a Reims or Il trovatore. That's also the reason I tend to favor Italian or Italianate opera, especially belcanto.I might be a philistine petty bourgeois, but I subscribe to the notion that opera is, and should be, an agreeable pastime with or without a moral, not a grand and bold statement of philosophy or psychology --- therefore Wagner and his followers / admirers are generally not my cup of tea (although I've seen Der Fliegende Hollaender live twice (sic!) and I quite like Tannhaeuser). In keeping with my general musical taste and preferences, my favorite 20th century opera is Der Rosenkavalier. I have once tried to watch the whole Lulu on Mezzo TV but I changed the channel after 10 minutes at most. I must say that the costumes (or rather the lack thereof in the case of the main character) were rather appealing, but the music was unbearable to these ears. A a rule of thumb, my favorite opera composers have names that ends in -i, and most of them died before WWI.
Quote from: Mandryka on May 01, 2017, 06:05:57 AMOh but you underestimate rosenkavelier, with all those reflections on aging and the passage of time, there's nothing deeper in opera!
Quote from: Florestan on May 01, 2017, 06:17:36 AMOh, don't get me wrong --- I know there are deep overtones in it, or indeed in some other operas --- it's just that for me they are not the main interest. If I want only deep reflections, I go to theatre. Opera involves music as well, and if the music doesn't please me, then everything else is ruined --- while if the music please me, then everything else is of secondary importance. That's why I said, and reiterate, that my favorite operatic style is belcanto, and Italian in general. Afaic, an ear-and-heart-catching melody is worth a hundred deep reflections on anything. EDIT: For instance, Tito Schipa singing Com'e gentil, or Toti dal Monte singing Un bel di vedremo
Quote from: Mandryka on May 01, 2017, 06:29:01 AMhave you heard Bernstein's recording of the Act 1 overture for Rosenkav?
QuoteIt is the best depiction of orgasm in music ever
Quote from: Florestan on May 01, 2017, 06:34:16 AMNo, I haven't. I have only the Karajan recording. Is it the next best one?
Quote from: Mandryka on May 01, 2017, 07:48:17 AMRosenkav was one of the first operas I saw. What I remember most was the little black boy servant picking up the handkerchief at the end and wiggling his bum at the audience.
Quote from: Mandryka on May 01, 2017, 05:31:31 AMOne thing which makes it different is that it's dramatic, listening to a recording is no substitute really and videos are somehow inconvenient and disappointing as an experience of opera for me. For me it needs the opera house ambience .
Quote from: Florestan on May 01, 2017, 08:12:30 AMIt is often said that culture is what you are left with after you forget everything you've learned. Apply it to opera and you get either purely visual moments like the above, or purely aural moments like arias, duets, choruses and the like. Nothing like philosophy or psychology --- they are afterthoughts.
Quote from: ritter on May 01, 2017, 10:02:56 AMFigaro
Quote Don Giovanni
Quote Parsifal, Meistersinger, Wozzeck, Moses und Aron, Pelléas et Mélisande,
Quote from: Florestan on May 01, 2017, 10:10:10 AMI venture to say that nine out of ten people when asked about the first thing Figaro suggests them will hum either Non piu andrai or Voi che sapete.Ditto: La ci darem la mano or Batti, batti o bel Masetto or Fin ch'han dal vinoI venture to say that nine out of ten people will shrug while not humming anything. :laugh:
Quote from: ritter on May 01, 2017, 10:15:17 AMThose same people would't be able to hum (probably, would not even be willing to listen to) let's say, Schubert's String Quintet in C major, or Debussy's Jeux...
Quote from: ritter on May 01, 2017, 10:15:17 AMSECOND EDIT: Béjart's choreography of Boléro is out of this world (and appears as fresh today as when firts unveiled more than 50 years ago).
Quote from: ritter on May 01, 2017, 10:15:17 AMEDIT: Reminds me, tangentially, of what happened last Saturday at the Teatros del Canal here in Madrid, when I was seeing the Béjart Ballet Lausanne: the frist part of the program was The Miraculous Mandarin. The people behind me (three couples, all in their mid-60s) were the kind that talk during the perfomance , and then comment about it at the end.
QuoteOne lady asked a gentleman if he had liked it. The answer was that it was OK, but that the music was "sooo contemporary". I was tempted to turn around and clarify that the score was composed almost one hundred yaers ago...
Quote from: Florestan on May 01, 2017, 10:20:25 AMI think you're wrong about Schubert.
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