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Re: Brexit
« Reply #1640 on: May 16, 2021, 05:13:23 AM »
You do realise that half the time May had members of her own party voting against the deal with the EU?

It was a colossal mess. May was completely right when she said to the whole House of Commons, they kept saying what they didn't want and couldn't articulate what they DID want. Every permutation would come up with a minority.

And how did Johnson get past that? By doing a deal with the EU but then almost immediately turning around and suggesting that the UK would breach international law when it felt like it. I guess that was May's mistake in your eyes, eh, actually trying to play by the rules.

I read what you say. May didn't have a powerful parliamentary majority, Johnson does.
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« Reply #1641 on: May 16, 2021, 12:29:20 PM »
My point was that May had members of her own party that had no intention of letting her succeed.

Boris was probably one of them.
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« Reply #1642 on: May 16, 2021, 10:42:47 PM »
My point was that May had members of her own party that had no intention of letting her succeed.

Boris was probably one of them.

Yes, we essentially are saying the same. "The awkward squad" as they were called, a group of Tory remain MP's led May a merry dance. Brexit was never going to happen as they blocked it at every vote. When Johnson won the landslide election victory he gave the group an ultimatum, vote for Brexit or you will all be expelled from the party. A Tory will always put self-preservation over principle - where is Dominic Grieve now? (An old-style posh Tory who occasionally came in the shop I owned).
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« Reply #1643 on: June 10, 2021, 07:19:39 AM »
No-one will be able to destroy the British sausage, insists minister

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/brexit-sausage-ranil-jayawardena-8042434
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« Reply #1644 on: June 10, 2021, 09:04:45 PM »
No-one will be able to destroy the British sausage, insists minister

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/brexit-sausage-ranil-jayawardena-8042434

I destroyed one only yesterday. :P Sadly though those sold in cafes and vans are often badly degraded if not outright suitable for vegans, so I always go for a bacon sandwich instead.

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« Reply #1645 on: June 10, 2021, 09:22:26 PM »
No-one will be able to destroy the British sausage, insists minister

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/brexit-sausage-ranil-jayawardena-8042434

I found the article entertaining but utterly confusing about what the problem is?

Difficulties with exporting these sausages will destroy them?  ::)

I didn't know these were actually eaten on "The Continent"?  :D

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #1646 on: June 11, 2021, 10:58:38 PM »
The bit about being a sovereign nation is so stupid. Sovereignty doesn't mean you can force other countries to buy your product if it's crappy.
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« Reply #1647 on: June 12, 2021, 12:23:02 AM »
I found the article entertaining but utterly confusing about what the problem is?

Difficulties with exporting these sausages will destroy them?  ::)

I didn't know these were actually eaten on "The Continent"?  :D

I'm geting a better picture now...

Since NI is de facto part of the internal market to prevent checks on the Irish-Irish border, the border between the internal market and (the rest of the) UK lies in the Irish Sea. EU food safety regulations stipulate that meat products imported from outside imported into the internal market can only be frozen not chilled. Because of the status of Northern Ireland, with the lapse of the grace period of 6 months this rule also apllies to meat exports to NI from the rest of the UK.

The EU urged the UK to agree to a Swiss-style “agri-food” deal, which would eliminate roughly 80 percent of checks. But the UK doesn't want to commit to an agreement on food standards with the EU. Sovereignty and all that...

So basically this is the old debate on Northern Ireland. Which can either be part of the internal market or not, but not something in between... One thing is certain: this problem is not going away. ..


What is the Brexit ‘sausage war’ all about?

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« Reply #1648 on: June 12, 2021, 02:26:58 AM »
I'm geting a better picture now...

Since NI is de facto part of the internal market to prevent checks on the Irish-Irish border, the border between the internal market and (the rest of the) UK lies in the Irish Sea. EU food safety regulations stipulate that meat products imported from outside imported into the internal market can only be frozen not chilled. Because of the status of Northern Ireland, with the lapse of the grace period of 6 months this rule also apllies to meat exports to NI from the rest of the UK.

The EU urged the UK to agree to a Swiss-style “agri-food” deal, which would eliminate roughly 80 percent of checks. But the UK doesn't want to commit to an agreement on food standards with the EU. Sovereignty and all that...

So basically this is the old debate on Northern Ireland. Which can either be part of the internal market or not, but not something in between... One thing is certain: this problem is not going away. ..


What is the Brexit ‘sausage war’ all about?

Yes, Northern Ireland will either have to make their own sausages or buy them from the Republic Of Ireland. Unless they want to eat Frankenstein Food. :'(


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« Reply #1649 on: June 12, 2021, 05:28:47 AM »
I would agree, as an outside observer, that the EU has gone to some curious places without seemingly having a proper discussion about what the EU's role actually is. In some ways it's occupying an uncanny valley between being a group of nations cooperating with each other and being a nation in and of itself.

The Euro was the thing that really highlighted this for me (of course the UK never became part of the Eurozone). The Euro was great for Germany, but really quite terrible for some countries such as Greece who lost control of a key tool in fiscal policy (currency fluctuation), while supposedly still being responsible for their own fiscal policy.

I missed this post at the time, but now that I read it I can't help nodding in agreement.

Although all Romanian parties proclaim their firm committment to joining the Euro asap, I do hope they won't succeed any time soon. In the current, or near future foreseeable, state of our economy it would be a catastrophe.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #1650 on: June 12, 2021, 11:48:05 AM »
The EU urged the UK to agree to a Swiss-style “agri-food” deal, which would eliminate roughly 80 percent of checks. But the UK doesn't want to commit to an agreement on food standards with the EU. Sovereignty and all that...
I'm just waiting for BoJo to announce that the UK will abandon the metric system, and that the decimalization of the Pound will be reversed, and to keep the refugees out, Hadrian's Wall will be refortified.
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« Reply #1651 on: June 12, 2021, 01:49:56 PM »
Meanwhile I’m watching a bit of Euro2020. I’m fascinated by how the UK gets away with saying there are 4 separate countries when it comes to sport, but when it comes to something as important as Brexit, England gets to drag the smaller countries along.
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« Reply #1652 on: June 12, 2021, 05:26:17 PM »
Meanwhile I’m watching a bit of Euro2020. I’m fascinated by how the UK gets away with saying there are 4 separate countries when it comes to sport, but when it comes to something as important as Brexit, England gets to drag the smaller countries along.

The Disunited Kingdom...
But four countries? England, Wales, Scotland--is Northern Ireland the fourth?

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« Reply #1653 on: June 12, 2021, 05:34:33 PM »
Yes.

Except for the sports where there’s an all-Ireland team instead...
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #1654 on: June 12, 2021, 07:07:58 PM »
How much longer until Boris Trump is out-of-office? What a horrible PM he is and quite frankly I’m surprised he can even walk in a straight line. A complete doofus and lack of empathy --- he should’ve been thrown out with yesterday’s trash.
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« Reply #1655 on: June 12, 2021, 11:45:08 PM »
Meanwhile I’m watching a bit of Euro2020. I’m fascinated by how the UK gets away with saying there are 4 separate countries when it comes to sport, but when it comes to something as important as Brexit, England gets to drag the smaller countries along.

Good point. Bet Macron didn't think of that.
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« Reply #1656 on: Today at 04:38:13 AM »
I'm just waiting for BoJo to announce that the UK will abandon the metric system, and that the decimalization of the Pound will be reversed, and to keep the refugees out, Hadrian's Wall will be refortified.

Scotland’s leader Nicola Sturgeon will be taking care of Hadrian's Wall. She closed the border for quite some time during the pandemic and I think has currently barred her subjects from visiting certain areas of England such as Blackburn. Imperial measures and currency were really good for developing mental arithmetic skills though - as a child I often had to calculate the correct change in the 12 pennies per shilling, 20 shillings per pound system in my head to avoid being swindled by one unscrupulous shop owner in particular.