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Re: Brexit Negotiations.
« Reply #1140 on: October 27, 2019, 10:45:47 AM »
But that is daft (in a non-Brexit world). The leader of the opposition refuses the opportunity of power because there is a chance he may lose! A tactic new to me.

Put yourself in Corbyn's shoes. What would you do?

I mean, what would you do all things considered?
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« Reply #1141 on: October 27, 2019, 12:32:05 PM »
Put yourself in Corbyn's shoes. What would you do?

I mean, what would you do all things considered?

I would do what he is doing because “all things” = Brexit. Our (UK) Parliament is distorted to a dangerous degree due to this nightmare Brexit. Politicians are making decisions that in normal circumstances would not be made - which is the point I was attempting to make.
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Re: Brexit Negotiations.
« Reply #1142 on: October 27, 2019, 07:03:47 PM »

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« Reply #1143 on: October 28, 2019, 01:25:19 AM »
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« Reply #1144 on: October 28, 2019, 01:30:06 AM »
Politicians are making decisions that in normal circumstances would not be made.

I'm not that sure. I think that even in normal circumstances a politician would prefer a situation of being in opposition with, say, 40% of the seats rather than going to a snap election which might result in his party remaining in opposition but with, say, only 32% of the seats. YMMV.
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« Reply #1145 on: October 28, 2019, 04:38:17 AM »
I'm not that sure. I think that even in normal circumstances a politician would prefer a situation of being in opposition with, say, 40% of the seats rather than going to a snap election which might result in his party remaining in opposition but with, say, only 32% of the seats. YMMV.
Makes sense...The question that follows, of course, is whether said party should seek another leader.  ;)
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« Reply #1146 on: October 28, 2019, 05:04:39 AM »
Makes sense...The question that follows, of course, is whether said party should seek another leader.  ;)

Of course.
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« Reply #1147 on: October 28, 2019, 08:44:58 AM »
I'm not that sure. I think that even in normal circumstances a politician would prefer a situation of being in opposition with, say, 40% of the seats rather than going to a snap election which might result in his party remaining in opposition but with, say, only 32% of the seats. YMMV.

When May called an election she was way ahead in the polls (something she said she would not do). As the campaign proceeded Corbyn dismantled her share of the vote. Sure she won but it was a pyrrhic victory as Boris was to find out. The British voting public have form in confounding the pollsters. It worries me greatly that Corbyn could win but deep down I am not sure he wants it - to be PM.
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« Reply #1148 on: October 28, 2019, 09:01:27 AM »
When May called an election she was way ahead in the polls (something she said she would not do). As the campaign proceeded Corbyn dismantled her share of the vote. Sure she won but it was a pyrrhic victory as Boris was to find out. The British voting public have form in confounding the pollsters. It worries me greatly that Corbyn could win but deep down I am not sure he wants it - to be PM.

I think no sane person would want to be PM in these times.  :)
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« Reply #1149 on: October 28, 2019, 11:09:10 AM »
I would do what he is doing because “all things” = Brexit. Our (UK) Parliament is distorted to a dangerous degree due to this nightmare Brexit. Politicians are making decisions that in normal circumstances would not be made - which is the point I was attempting to make.

My own speculation (based on nothing more than my status as a member of the GMG Big Brain Brigade, and not on any special insight or knowledge) is that Corbyn would prefer to be the PM who cleans up after Brexit and "saves" the country from catastrophe than the PM who presides over Brexit...that in part being based on my feeling that Corbyn is far more interested in what's good for Corbyn than he is in what's good for the UK.

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« Reply #1150 on: October 29, 2019, 12:53:10 AM »
My own speculation (based on nothing more than my status as a member of the GMG Big Brain Brigade, and not on any special insight or knowledge) is that Corbyn would prefer to be the PM who cleans up after Brexit and "saves" the country from catastrophe than the PM who presides over Brexit...that in part being based on my feeling that Corbyn is far more interested in what's good for Corbyn than he is in what's good for the UK.

You have a point. There is one thing worth mentioning in that Corbyn is a keen allotment holder. I am too, and digging up spuds gives far more pleasure then all the hassle of running a country especially when in your 70's.
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« Reply #1151 on: October 30, 2019, 04:57:08 AM »
Looks like Corbyn changed his mind. Elections December 12.
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« Reply #1152 on: October 30, 2019, 08:15:21 AM »
Looks like Corbyn changed his mind. Elections December 12.

A strange decision which I didn't expect. Half of his party were against and told him so. The most likely reason is that the Liberals and Scottish Nats were for a December election and for him to put a block on it would result in him being accused of cowardice. The fanciful reason is that he is locked in a job he doesn't want and losing an election usually results in a change of leader.
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« Reply #1153 on: October 31, 2019, 11:58:10 AM »
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Re: Brexit Negotiations.
« Reply #1155 on: November 04, 2019, 07:44:15 AM »


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Re: Brexit Negotiations.
« Reply #1156 on: November 09, 2019, 02:37:41 AM »
All quiet on the Brexit front

The title says it alll....  ::)

In his blog Chris Grey discusses the Brexit intentions of the various parties, and their plausibility.

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Re: Brexit Negotiations.
« Reply #1157 on: November 10, 2019, 01:30:52 AM »
All quiet on the Brexit front

The title says it alll....  ::)

In his blog Chris Grey discusses the Brexit intentions of the various parties, and their plausibility.

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It has and what a blessed relief! There is no ambiguity the voters know where each of the four parties stand so believe it or not there is little to discuss. There is a danger that if a new hung parliament it will all start up again but I don't think it will. Both UK and EU are sick to the back teeth with Brexit.
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« Reply #1158 on: November 30, 2019, 01:06:17 AM »
As Boris Johnson's elections victory draws near (probably not a landslide, but a working majority), Brexit will enter a new phase...

Sir Ivan Roger, the former Permanent Representative of the United Kingdom to the European Union, explains in his Brexit lecture at the University of Glasgow what lies ahead. Please note: a long read, and a not a particularly comforting Christmas story....

The Ghost of Christmas yet to come

To get into the Christmas spirit, here is the image of the Ghost of Christmas yet to come from Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol:



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Re: Brexit Negotiations.
« Reply #1159 on: November 30, 2019, 07:40:04 AM »
A very göod read from one in the know who knows the realities, and is dispassionate about the political grandstanding.