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Re: Claude Vivier (1948-1983)
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2009, 04:45:09 AM »
Thanks for that nice post, Lis, and I like hearing that his work is still on the radar.  Just imagine what he might have created if he had lived longer...

PS, that's a great Proms program! 

Charles Dutoit, conductor
Martha Argerich, piano
Royal Philharmonic Orchestra

Vivier: Orion (UK premiere)
Ravel: Piano Concerto in G major
Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No.1 in D flat major
Musorgsky, orch. Ravel: Pictures at an Exhibition

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Re: Claude Vivier (1948-1983)
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2009, 04:57:13 AM »
Bruce, while I watched his Marco Poloagain yesterday I was wondering if there exists an issue of just the piano section shiraz. It's awesome and surely there is another pianist alive besides Marc Couroux capable of performing it.  ???

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Re: Claude Vivier (1948-1983)
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2009, 10:17:14 AM »
There's a recording of Shiraz on the CBC's Montreal Postmoderne disc:

http://www.musiccentre.ca/apps/index.cfm?fuseaction=search.dspItemDetails&buyItemsID=124

It's only $6 Canadian (what is that, $5.99 US these days) currently, and a real bargain IMO.
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Re: Claude Vivier (1948-1983)
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2009, 10:32:22 AM »
Thanks edward--just ordered it!   :D  The rest of the program looks interesting, too.

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Re: Claude Vivier (1948-1983)
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2009, 05:56:30 AM »
Ordered it too - but the postage is almost two bucks more than the price of the CD! Is the Canadian postal system hand-delivering it to me by one of the countries handsome Mounties??  ::)

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Re: Claude Vivier (1948-1983)
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2009, 07:35:06 AM »
Edward - Do you have the four CD set of his music from CBC that is part of their Anthology of Canadian Music series?

It is good to read about this very talented and seldom heard Canadian composer. Has anyone heard Orion? I was wondering if it was worth buying the Kairos cd to get it.

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Re: Claude Vivier (1948-1983)
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2009, 07:42:17 AM »
Edward - Do you have the four CD set of his music from CBC that is part of their Anthology of Canadian Music series?

It is good to read about this very talented and seldom heard Canadian composer. Has anyone heard Orion? I was wondering if it was worth buying the Kairos cd to get it.

Am I going to have to drag out my credit card again?   ;D  ;D  ;D

Haven't heard Orion, to the best of my knowledge. 

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Re: Claude Vivier (1948-1983)
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2009, 08:28:29 AM »
Bruce: Four CD set? I have a KAIROS, 0012472KAI with

Orion
Siddharta
Cinq chanson pour percussion

All on one CD. Saved you some money, didn't I?  0:)

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Re: Claude Vivier (1948-1983)
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2009, 08:56:21 AM »
Bruce: Four CD set? I have a KAIROS, 0012472KAI with

Orion
Siddharta
Cinq chanson pour percussion

All on one CD. Saved you some money, didn't I?  0:)

Oh thanks, Lis.  Yes, I will probably order the Kairos first.  (Other than that DVD, I seem to have only one Vivier disc: the one with Lonely Child and Zipangu, conducted by De Leeuw.)

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Re: Claude Vivier (1948-1983)
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2009, 08:58:31 AM »
I have no Vivier in my collection. Last year I ordered one and after 3 months, I got an e-mail telling me the order is cancelled because it was out of stock. I hate it when that happens.
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Re: Claude Vivier (1948-1983)
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2009, 08:59:03 AM »
Outside of Canada, would Claude Vivier be viewed as the greatest Canadian composer?

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Re: Claude Vivier (1948-1983)
« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2009, 09:07:33 AM »
Outside of Canada, would Claude Vivier be viewed as the greatest Canadian composer?

An interesting premise, and you could be right.  IMHO it's hard to say because he died so young and wasn't able to create a huge body of work. 

Who would you choose?  (Or nominate.)

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Re: Claude Vivier (1948-1983)
« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2009, 09:21:30 AM »
I definitely would call him a French composer. He left Canada, where he had composed very little, because then he was not celebrated as Canada's greatest composer. In fact he was barely recognised, whereas his reception in France was enthusiastic and his genius was recognised.

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Re: Claude Vivier (1948-1983)
« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2009, 11:00:53 AM »
Lis - the 4 CD set has 15 works and a documentary but it does not have Orion. Can you compare Orion with any other of his works - for instance does it have about the same soundworld as Siddharta?
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Re: Claude Vivier (1948-1983)
« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2009, 03:49:07 PM »
He's Canadian?

I knew so little about Canadian composers, if I HAD TO name one, I can only come up with one name: Glenn Gould.
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Re: Claude Vivier (1948-1983)
« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2009, 06:43:10 PM »
In one of my earlier posts I mentioned this month's article in Gramophone about Vivier. One sentence: "He complained that Canada was a compositional backwater and relocated to Paris to work on an opera inspired by the life of Tschaikovsky.

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Re: Claude Vivier (1948-1983)
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2009, 03:13:19 PM »
Vivier's "Lonely Child" is here - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2735391902424403560

A friend just sent me the link today.  Does anyone have any idea what the text is about?  I can't find anything on the Internet...


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Re: Claude Vivier (1948-1983)
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2009, 05:46:21 PM »
All I can do is to quote the short paragraph in the booklet from the DVD:

"The Youth of Marco Polo"
A song of loneliness, melody coloured by carefully constructed timbral chords. The music finally returns to a chord, then an interval, until all that remains is the opening melody.


So far about the music, but the meaning is not quite clear. Even if he connects the loneliness to Marco Polo, maybe it has something to do with Vivier's loneliness, he never knew his birth parents.

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Re: Claude Vivier (1948-1983)
« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2009, 09:06:23 AM »
Vivier at the Proms - Prom 60

In the International Year of Astronomy, Claude Vivier's intriguing exploration of the echoing vastnesses of outer space is brought to the UK by Charles Dutoit, who conducted its 1980 premiere in Montreal.

Vivier Orion (UK premiere) (13 mins)
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Re: Claude Vivier (1948-1983)
« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2009, 11:37:19 PM »
I've just borrowed the CD with Prologue pour un Marco Polo, Bouchara, Zipangu and Lonely child- it's fairly unusual and keeps the attention but shows Stockhausen's influence and the pieces are basically classically organized with clear sense of departure and return, like some electronic music.