Started by MFKittyBooy, July 13, 2017, 07:00:08 AM
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Quote from: MFKittyBooy on July 13, 2017, 07:00:08 AMI have written an Étude that starts in B major and ends in C major, if I write it down, should it be Étude in B major or Étude in C major?
Quote from: ritter on July 13, 2017, 07:06:34 AMJust "Étude" will do IMO. Not even necessary to give it a number (e.g., "No. 1"), unless you're certain there will be a "No. 2".
Quote from: MFKittyBooy on July 13, 2017, 07:08:57 AMAlright, but still, if a piece changes it's key, is it in the key it started in, or the key it ends in?
Quote from: Ghost Sonata on July 13, 2017, 07:23:13 AMThe simplest things are complex and that is esp. true re: the key of a given work (though there's always exceptions, eg: popular songs are often straightforward). The Wiki explanation is as good as anything I've seen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_(music)
Quote from: Mahlerian on July 13, 2017, 07:27:30 AMUgh, yet another explanation of key as equivalent to scale.Keys are not scales! Keys are hierarchies of harmonic relationships, which do not have to rely on a scale.If it's always moving towards the ending key, then I'd say the whole could be judged as being in that key (eg the first song of Mahler's Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen), but just modulating at some point isn't the same. Best to avoid a key designation. It's not really necessary anyway.
Quote from: Ghost Sonata on July 13, 2017, 07:34:44 AMAgree, Mahlerian - it's the modern practice in any case.
Quote from: Ghost Sonata on July 13, 2017, 07:34:44 AMI thought the Wiki explanation specifically warns against interpreting scale as key : "Although many musicians confuse key with scale, a scale is an ordered set of notes typically used in a key, while the key is the center of gravity, established by particular chord progressions..."
Quote from: Mahlerian on July 13, 2017, 07:37:03 AMTrue, and I think it's another indication of how tonality is just not the natural language for the average listener anymore.
Quote from: Monsieur Croche on July 17, 2017, 01:23:47 PMI can not think of a piece of this nature where the composer stated the key, if you think on it one sec, for obvious reasons, lol.
Quote from: amw on July 17, 2017, 08:44:16 PMGustav Mahler wrote a Symphony No. 2 in C minor (ending in E-flat major), a Symphony No. 4 in G major (ending in E major), a Symphony No. 5 in C-sharp minor (ending in D major), and a Symphony No. 9 in D major (ending in D-flat major). And although he didn't give a key designation to the Symphony No. 7 I've seen it referred to "Symphony No. 7 in E minor/C major" which is.... dumb but whatever.Also: Chopin's Fantasy in F minor (ends in A-flat major), Ballade in F major (ends in A minor), Scherzo in B-flat minor (ends in D-flat major). And Schubert's Unfinished Symphony in B minor technically ends in E major because he didn't bother to finish the remaining movements (which presumably would have been in B minor). I guess that kind of answers the OP's question.
Quote from: zamyrabyrd on July 24, 2017, 08:59:49 AMIn a wider context, our culture has not abandoned tonality. It is still ominpresent. Even if you want to get away from key relations, tonic and dominant are still fundamental acoustic properties.
Quote from: zamyrabyrd on July 24, 2017, 08:59:49 AMWith regard to a piece like Chopin's 2nd Ballade, one can say that the key designation is ambiguous given the equal importance given to F major and A minor. In fact, they contrast in every way. The F major part is tranquil (most of the time) and the A minor is turbulent. But consider that inside each section the tonality is clear, with some modulation but nothing really far out. Chopin liked third relationships but never abandoned tonic and dominant.
Quote from: zamyrabyrd on July 24, 2017, 08:59:49 AMOf course this is a large topic but on the whole in tonal music, the key center is what usually determines its designation. I find it a very valuable piece of information about the piece.
Quote from: α | ì Æ ñ on July 24, 2017, 09:21:43 PMCorrect, I come from certian genres of "popular music" as a kid, namely Rock, metal and jazz. I know from first-hand experience, not only of consuming it but also playing and composing it. "popular music" breaks all and every "rule" of tonality. It is modal and often chromatically modal (like metal). Pop music tends to shy away from traditional chord functions even.
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 22, 2017, 10:30:46 AMWhat if a piece changes key?Good.Carry on
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