What emotions are assigned to Keys?

Started by hornteacher, April 13, 2007, 01:26:18 PM

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I don't have the concentration to read this entire thread though what I read was very interesting. From my humble lack of knowledge in musicology I will take what I feel from my experiences while composing. The 2 "strongest" key, meaning the ones most apt to a specific emotion for me are Eb and em. Eb always has seem very triumphant and majestical. Very powerful. em on the other hand seems to be very dark and sad, mournful. I write mostly in cm though, which to be seems to have the perfect blend of sadness and almost a melancholic nostalgia to it without being overly dramatic. Now am seems to be purely melancholic nostalgia. C is a very calm key and open to interoperation, it really doesn't point at a specific emotion. But this is all according to my ear, and to be honest i really don't think there is any real backing to say that a key has anything in particular to say, i just seem to write a specific kind of music while in a key. Maybe it's the way it's laid out on the keyboard? Who knows. Interesting conversation though

sul G

Sorry to respond to your post in this completely irrelevant way, but when out of the corner of my eye I saw that you'd written I misread the thread title (even though it's a thread I've posted on far too often) as What emoticons are assigned to keys? Now that's a whole other discussion; how's about:

F minor =  >:D
E major =  0:)
(though B, F# and C# majors each accrue one extra  0:) , I presume)
D minor =  >:(
C minor =  $:)
D flat major =  :-*

etc. etc.   ;D ;D
(that's A major A major, perhaps)

schweitzeralan

Quote from: val on April 14, 2007, 04:55:28 AM

Eb Major: Heroism? And what about Haydn's famous Quartet opus 33/2 ? I don't see anything Heroic about it.

Ab Major: Forgiveness? Bach had not that feeling in his Prelude and Fugue from the WTC: dynamic, powerful.

G Minor: Tragedy. Well, we all remember Mozart's Symphonies 25 and 40, the sublime Quintet K 516, the piano Quartet K 478. Yes, I believe it is tragic when Mozart uses it.

C Major: Triumph? Oh no it isn't, unless you are focusing in the end of the 4th movement of Bruckner's 8th Symphony. But the extraordinary string Quintet of Schubert is in C major and the only triumph I see there is death's triumph.

Many ideas and opinions on this thread.  Yet for me some composers who have used the 7th chord have created a certain saddness.  Strauss and Wagner were notable for me. This is not to say that this one chord is "standardly" or universally a sad note.  Depends on how it is structured or conceived.

I don't believe in emotions assigned to keys.

bwv 1080

Not reading through all the previous posts, I am sure its been said but I will go ahead anyway - absolute concert pitch has changed quite alot over the past few hundred years, to the point where what Beethoven's actual C was could be a semitone or two away from modern concert pitch.  That said its hard to see how any key can have a "feeling" outside of the technical considerations unique to a particular instrument


http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Concert_pitch/

QuoteUntil the 19th century, there was no concerted effort to standardize musical pitch and the levels across Europe varied widely. Even within one church, the pitch used could vary over time because of the way organs were tuned. Generally, the end of an organ pipe would be hammered inwards to a cone, or flared outwards to raise or lower the pitch. When the pipe ends became frayed by this constant process, they were all trimmed down, thus raising the overall pitch of the organ.

Some idea of the variance in pitches can be gained by examining old tuning forks, organ pipes and other sources. For example, an English pitchpipe from 1720 plays the A above middle C at 380 Hz, while the organs played by Johann Sebastian Bach in Hamburg, Leipzig and Weimar were pitched at A=480 Hz, a difference of around four semitones. In other words, the A produced by the 1720 pitchpipe would have been at the same frequency as the F on one of Bach's organs.

Pitch levels did not just vary from place to place, or over time - pitch levels could vary even within the same city. The pitch used for an English cathedral organ in the 17th century for example, could be as much as five semitones lower than that used for a domestic keyboard instrument in the same city.

The need to standardize pitch levels, at least within one city or country, rose as performance of music which combined the organ with instrumental ensembles became more popular. One way in which pitch could be controlled was with the use of tuning forks, although even here there was variation - a tuning fork associated with Handel, dating from 1740, is pitched at A=422.5 Hz, while a later one from 1780 is pitched at A=409 Hz, almost a semitone lower. Nonetheless, there was a tendency towards the end of the 18th century for the frequency of the A above middle C to be in the range of 400 to 450 Hz.

Throughout the first half of the 19th century, there was a tendency for the pitch used by orchestras to rise. This was probably largely due to orchestras competing with each other, each attempting to fill increasingly large concert halls with a brighter, more "brilliant", sound than that of their rivals. They were helped in this endeavour by the improved durability of the violins' E-strings - in the 16th century, Michael Praetorius had rejected various high pitch standards as leading to snapped strings, but the new strings could take the higher tension without breaking.

The rise in pitch at this time can be seen reflected in tuning forks. A 1815 tuning fork from the Dresden opera house gives A=423.2 Hz, while one of eleven years later from the same opera house gives A=435 Hz. At La Scala in Milan, the A above middle C rose as high as 451 Hz.

The most vocal opponents of the upward tendency in pitch were singers, who complained that it was putting a strain on their voices. Largely due to their protestations, the French government passed a law on February 16, 1859 which set the A above middle C at 435 Hz. This was the first attempt to standardize pitch on such a scale, and was known as the diapason normal. It became quite a popular pitch standard outside of France as well.

There were still variations, however. The diapason normal resulted in middle C being tuned at approximately 258.65 Hz. An alternative pitch standard known as philosophical or scientific pitch, which fixed middle C at exactly 256 Hz (that is, 28 Hz), and resulted in the A above it being tuned to approximately 430.54 Hz, gained some popularity due to its mathematical convenience (the frequencies of all the Cs being a power of two). This never received the same official recognition as A=435, however, and was not as widely used.

In 1939, an international conference recommended that the A above middle C be tuned to 440 Hz. This standard was taken up by the International Organization for Standardization in 1955 (and was reaffirmed by them in 1975) as ISO 16. The difference between this and the diapason normal is due to confusion over which temperature the French standard should be measured at. The initial standard was A=439 Hz, but this was superseded by A=440 Hz after complaints that 439 Hz was difficult to reproduce in a laboratory owing to 439 being a prime number.

Despite such confusion, A=440 Hz is now used virtually world wide, at least in theory. In practice, as orchestras still tune to a note given out by the oboe, rather than to an electronic tuning device (which would be more reliable), and as the oboist himself may not have used such a device to tune in the first place, there is still some variance in the exact pitch used. Solo instruments such as the piano (which an orchestra may tune to if they are playing together) are also not universally tuned to A=440 Hz. Overall, it is thought that the general trend since the middle of the 20th century has been for standard pitch to rise, though it has certainly been rising far more slowly than it has in the past...