Henryk Mikolaj Gorecki (1933-2010)

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DavidW

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February 16, 2023, 01:16:44 PM
Both are good, but out of the two I prefer Wit.  Kilanowicz really delivers in the second and third movements better than Upshaw, while I feel that Upshaw really has it in the first movement.  So it should complement the Upshaw recording you have.

But my favorite recording is...

Brahmsian

#141
February 16, 2023, 01:20:23 PM
Quote from: DavidW on February 16, 2023, 01:16:44 PMBoth are good, but out of the two I prefer Wit.  Kilanowicz really delivers in the second and third movements better than Upshaw, while I feel that Upshaw really has it in the first movement.  So it should complement the Upshaw recording you have.

But my favorite recording is...



I had seen a YouTube video of Kilanowicz and Wit for a live performance (has since been removed due to copyright issues, at least the complete performance) and it was absolutely spellbinding! In particular, Kilanowicz in the second movement.

Have not seen this one, David (your favourite performance).

Cato

#142
February 16, 2023, 02:43:36 PM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on February 16, 2023, 01:20:23 PMI had seen a YouTube video of Kilanowicz and Wit for a live performance (has since been removed due to copyright issues, at least the complete performance) and it was absolutely spellbinding! In particular, Kilanowicz in the second movement.

Have not seen this one, David (your favourite performance).


Gorecki's Symphony #3!  Dawn Upshaw's performance in the early 1990's after the fall of Communism somehow took off, when Classical radio stations began to feature it.

I think that, because Dawn Upshaw was so well known, her performance brought the work to prominence.

Gorecki was known to me as a member of what might be called "The Polish School" of the 1950's and 1960's: Epitaph was probably his most famous work.  I heard Canticum Graduum, which seemed also to be in the Ligeti/Penderecki style of that period.

The Symphony #3 back then seemed to combine Minimalism with a kind of Neo-Medievalism, Glass meets Pärt, so to speak.

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DavidW

#143
February 17, 2023, 06:16:16 AM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on February 16, 2023, 01:20:23 PMHave not seen this one, David (your favourite performance).

That is the world premiere recording before it was remotely popular.  I've also heard the symphony live from the local orchestra, and I recall having a cough at the time so I held in my cough for the entire symphony! :o

Brahmsian

#144
February 21, 2023, 07:32:40 AM
Just listening to the 1st and 2nd string quartets (Kronos) for the first time. I am absolutely floored! I am enjoying this immensely.

George

#145
March 07, 2023, 05:23:08 PM
What do folks think of Kronos vs Tippett in the quartets? I own neither and would like to buy just one.
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Brahmsian

#146
March 07, 2023, 05:47:19 PM
Quote from: George on March 07, 2023, 05:23:08 PMWhat do folks think of Kronos vs Tippett in the quartets? I own neither and would like to buy just one.

Can't comment on the Tippett George because I haven't heard them. But I thoroughly enjoy the Kronos!

vers la flamme

#147
March 08, 2023, 03:56:04 AM
Quote from: OrchestralNut on February 16, 2023, 12:48:21 PMThese two, ordered from Presto.  Not sure the exact delivery date.  Looking forward to these as a comparison to the Zinman/Upshaw (which I adore):





That Gibbons/Penderecki is a stunning performance, with the caveat that she is amplified which is a turn off for some; plus, the overall tempi are fast to accommodate for her different vocal style as compared to your traditional classical vocalist. Disclaimer: I'm a huge Portishead fan. However, if you don't like it, the Antoni Wit set contains another phenomenal Górecki 3rd. I have both of those plus the classic Zinman/Dawn Upshaw/London Sinfonietta on Nonesuch and I can't decide which is my favorite.

Brahmsian

#148
March 08, 2023, 04:08:26 AM
Quote from: vers la flamme on March 08, 2023, 03:56:04 AMThat Gibbons/Penderecki is a stunning performance, with the caveat that she is amplified which is a turn off for some; plus, the overall tempi are fast to accommodate for her different vocal style as compared to your traditional classical vocalist. Disclaimer: I'm a huge Portishead fan. However, if you don't like it, the Antoni Wit set contains another phenomenal Górecki 3rd. I have both of those plus the classic Zinman/Dawn Upshaw/London Sinfonietta on Nonesuch and I can't decide which is my favorite.

I've heard Kilanowicz on a YouTube performance couple years back, live in a church and it was such an overwhelming, inspiring performance. It has since been removed from YouTube although shorter snippets remain.

And I love Dawn Upshaw's voice, so it will always be one of my faves.

Really do look forward to the Gibbons/Penderecki performance!

Symphonic Addict

#149
May 27, 2024, 04:11:19 PM
Completely astounded by this recording of Górecki's SQs. I had forgot how visceral and psychological they are. The Quatuor Molinari delivers strong renditions.

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#150
May 27, 2024, 05:40:25 PM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on May 27, 2024, 04:11:19 PMCompletely astounded by this recording of Górecki's SQs. I had forgot how visceral and psychological they are. The Quatuor Molinari delivers strong renditions.

Quatuor Molinari is one of my favorite ensembles. Their repertory s exceptional, and very well performed.

Mandryka

#151
December 10, 2024, 08:57:25 AM
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December 10, 2024, 03:05:12 PM
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Mandryka

#153
December 11, 2024, 02:01:33 AM
Does anyone know if the 4th symphony was completed by Górecki, or whether someone else had a hand in it?
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Maestro267

#154
December 11, 2024, 02:54:20 AM
Quote from an NPR review of the recording:

Górecki left the work incomplete when he died in 2010, yet fully written out in a piano score with instructions for some of the orchestration. It was left to his son, composer Mikołaj Górecki, to finish his father's final symphony.

Mandryka

#155
March 12, 2025, 10:30:30 AM Last Edit: March 12, 2025, 10:39:06 AM by Mandryka
Quote from: vandermolen on March 11, 2025, 11:47:11 PMNot sure about that but it was certainly an early (1980s?) version. I was unaware of the work before our coach driver recommended it to me.

PS here is a list of recordings (if you scroll down). I'm not sure if the 1978 recording is the same as my Olympia CD (same forces)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._3_(G%C3%B3recki)

The back of the Olympia CD says it was recorded in 1987. That may be a typo. It also says it is released under licence from Polskie Nagrania. I have a copy of the release of the 1978 recording on Muza and honestly, I can't tell if they're the same performance. What I can say is this: if they are the same performance I much prefer the Muza -- you can hear more music on it.

PM me if you want it, I don't want to go further down the rabbit hole of trying to make sense of whether they're two different performances!

https://www.discogs.com/master/378459-Henryk-Miko%C5%82aj-G%C3%B3recki-III-Symfonia-Pie%C5%9Bni-%C5%BBa%C5%82osnych-Op-36

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