Science sez y'all are a bunch of weenies (ladies here excluded)

Started by bwv 1080, February 12, 2018, 09:43:14 AM

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Spineur

Reading what was on Mozart fantasia K448 on wikipedia and found this highly unexpected "Mozart effect" on epileptics.

QuoteAccording to the British Epilepsy Organization, research has suggested that Mozart's K 448 can have the "Mozart effect", in that listening to the piano sonata improved spatial reasoning skills and reduced the number of seizures in people with epilepsy. Apart from another Mozart Concerto, K 488, only one other piece of music has been found to have a similar effect, a song by the Greek composer Yanni, entitled "Acroyali/Standing In Motion", which is featured on his album Yanni Live at the Acropolis.[3]

Proof of Mozart power !

Mirror Image

#21
This 'study' is just another example of people who have no aptitude for music like classical or jazz showing their 'superiority' by making false claims based on nothing but an ill-informed, misguided stereotype that doesn't prove anything other than make the researchers look like jackasses.

Baron Scarpia

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Quote from: Mirror Image on February 13, 2018, 07:53:50 PM
This 'study' is just another example of people who have no aptitude for music like classical or jazz showing their 'superiority' by making false claims based on nothing but an ill-informed, misguided stereotype that doesn't prove anything other than make the researchers look like jackasses.

They correlated responses to survey questions with measured hormone levels. They found a weak but statistically significant correlation. The not particularly interesting conclusions are based on that, not 'stereotypes.'

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Baron Scarpia on February 12, 2018, 10:10:43 AM
No mention of correlation of low testosterone with preference for harpsichord music?   8)

Just a reminder to everyone: I hate the harpsichord  :D

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Baron Scarpia

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on February 15, 2018, 11:51:56 AM
Just a reminder to everyone: I hate the harpsichord  :D

Sarge

But J.S. Bach loved the harpsichord and fathered 20 children. :)

Sergeant Rock

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Quote from: Baron Scarpia on February 15, 2018, 11:56:03 AM
But J.S. Bach loved the harpsichord and fathered 20 children. :)

Good point...but didn't Bach actually compose that music for the clavichord? At least that's what a former member here told me.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Baron Scarpia

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on February 15, 2018, 12:11:21 PM
Good point...but didn't Bach actually compose that music for the clavichord? At least that's what a former member here told me.

Sarge

Let's assume when he was composing on the harpsichord he was imagining a really big organ.   :o

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Baron Scarpia on February 15, 2018, 12:15:35 PM
Let's assume when he was composing on the harpsichord he was imagining a really big organ.   :o

;D :D ;D

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Ken B

Quote from: bwv 1080 on February 12, 2018, 10:16:19 AM
Think this is a candidate for

http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124


If you look at the scatter, it is a weak relationship on a small sample.  The paper is behind a paywall, so dont know the T-stats or R^2, which look low judging from the picture.  Looks like just one high-testosterone classical music listener (and nobody asked me to be in the study) would have swung that regression line to a less flaccid position

Yes, the scatter plot screams bullshit.

Ken B

Quote from: Baron Scarpia on February 15, 2018, 09:30:47 AM
They correlated responses to survey questions with measured hormone levels. They found a weak but statistically significant correlation. The not particularly interesting conclusions are based on that, not 'stereotypes.'

Actually you can't say that without knowing more, since
1) if there was p mining then stereotypes can play a role in deciding what to look for
2) if there is publication bias then even more so