Sad day for music

[JoshLilly]

Whew, what a relief! When I saw the title I thought they'd discovered Mahler's 11th Symphony.

[Saul]

I don't get why this supposedly maps onto "a sad day for music."

Good to see , Karl, that you are "updated" on these things...    

[orbital]

Well I (and I'm sure a lot of others) have had my share of Avrilesque music in my earlier days I don't regret it one bit. What would the eighties mean without the likes of Kajagoogo, Duran Duran and the like ? 

Similarly, I would not want my children to miss whatever it is that defines their generation. Art music or not, unless it is your profession why the need to take it so seriously? Avril is just fine, so is Fionna Apple  She is singing about boyfriend problems, why wouldn't a teenager want to listen to it? They have the same type of problems themselves. It is perfectly normal plus it is called Popular Music for a reason.
(Hey, I just bought a James Taylor CD this weekend, there is not any difference between them really when you think about it).

[karlhenning]

I think I'm in trouble if pop music defines my generation 

[karlhenning]

On the other hand, Songs in the Key of Life was a monster hit with my class our senior year;  we could have done much, much worse.

[orbital]

I think I'm in trouble if pop music defines my generation 

Don't you think it does? But Karl, you are professional too, so you have the right to take it seriously 

[Haffner]

On the other hand, Songs in the Key of Life was a monster hit with my class our senior year;  we could have done much, much worse.

"Sir Duke" is a very fond memory from 6th grade. What an amazing voice that man had. Back then, I loved Elton John's "Captain Fantastic..." as well.

[Renfield]

What is all this heresy!? The only songs you should all be listening to are the Rückert-Lieder!

(Kidding, in case it wasn't obvious. For my actual opinion, check page one.) 

[greg]

Whew, what a relief! When I saw the title I thought they'd discovered Mahler's 11th Symphony.

don't even say that...
i just flooded my house with drool and then drowned in it and died.

[Haffner]

What is all this heresy!? The only songs you should all be listening to are the Rückert-Lieder!

 

:-\I love those Lieder, especially the marvelous Karajan/Ludwig renderings.

[Renfield]

:-\I love those Lieder, especially the marvelous Karajan/Ludwig renderings.

Yes, I love them too.

In fact, part of one is in my signature.

[Josquin des Prez]

Apparently you people imagine that in 1826 peasants throughout Europe were listening to Beethoven's Grosse Fugue and not some crude folk music that was less sophisticated than even Avril. 

Bruckner came from a poor background, and so did Haydn. Don't underestimate the peasants. 

[Haffner]

Yes, I love them too.

In fact, part of one is in my signature.

"I live in my own Heaven..."

Truly marvelous...

[head-case]

:-\I love those Lieder, especially the marvelous Karajan/Ludwig renderings.

You haven't lived until you've heard the Karajan/Ludwig recording of "Sir Duke." 

[Josquin des Prez]

What I want from popular music is real talent and creativity

I think the world of popular music is chocked filled with talent and creativity (the human factor is a constant after all). What they lack is real training and a great ongoing tradition to serve as inspiration. Even somebody like Beethoven would have never gone far if his education amounted to a few jamming garage sessions with his teenage friends.

[head-case]

Bruckner came from a poor background, and so did Haydn. Don't underestimate the peasants. 

Bruckner's father was a schoolmaster and church organist, not a peasant.  Haydn came from a meager background but was fortunate to have a relative who was a schoolmaster and a musician. 

[Josquin des Prez]

Bruckner's father was a schoolmaster and church organist, not a peasant.

My bad, my informations were tainted apparently.

BTW, perhaps it's also a question of intelligence. People with IQs of 120+ make up 12% of the population. That means a huge chunk of the population might simply not have the brain power to process complex music without getting an headache.

[beclemund]

Bruckner's father was a schoolmaster and church organist, not a peasant.  Haydn came from a meager background but was fortunate to have a relative who was a schoolmaster and a musician. 

So not unlike Avril Lavigne's family life.

[Saul]

I think the world of popular music is chocked filled with talent and creativity (the human factor is a constant after all). What they lack is real training and a great ongoing tradition to serve as inspiration. Even somebody like Beethoven would have never gone far if his education amounted to a few jamming garage sessions with his teenage friends.

The problem is that these teens who practice their "tunes" in their garage sessions lack a most essential element, its called talent.

[Josquin des Prez]

So not unlike Avril Lavigne's family life.

I don't think Avril Lavigne would have gone far even under the best conditions. Some people just can't be helped.