Started by Irons, November 22, 2018, 11:40:48 PM
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Quote from: Irons on December 01, 2018, 06:57:39 AMI didn't own a CD player until quite recently. The reason I got one is I felt I was missing out on music and artists of the last thirty odd years. As I said I have no wish to score points on either as to which is best. Two things struck me though, music itself, or rather the way it is played, has changed. The HIP movement has had a noticeable positive affect in the intervening years. CD sound has improved, the one thing that bothers me with the medium is ironically, background noise! The music emerges from a blackness, my wife has noticed the same thing. Excessive surface noise from vinyl is usually a sign of a poorly setup or matched system. Get that right, and train your brain to ignore the odd pop and click, and then a LP record produces a natural organic sound.
QuoteHandel: Messiah [Beecham] This is an interesting historical performance. There is no booklet with the set unfortunately so I do not know the year of the performance. It is an enjoyable performance, one of its time, but obviously quite different in presentation from today's period performances. We are also treated to an interesting introduction [spoken by Beecham himself] which discusses the balance required between choral and orchestral forces in this work which is interesting in itself for that time.
Quote from: aligreto on December 02, 2018, 06:48:04 AMCross post from the Listening Thread:This is among the oldest vinyl that I have in my collection. The set of 4 LPs are housed in 4 sturdy cardboard pages that are hinged to a metal bar inside giving a book effect; a legacy of the old 78 presentations.
Quote from: XB-70 Valkyrie on December 02, 2018, 11:42:23 PMOne of the greatest recordings ever made in any era, in any medium, is Janos Starker's early 50s recording of the Kodaly sonata for unaccompanied Cello Op. 8, originally recorded on the Period label. It was reissued a number of times on this label, but I have the first one--which was an extremely lucky find. The sound quality is astounding; I have seen people's jaws drop upon hearing this played on my system. The ability of certain early 50s recording engineers to capture the gestalt and timbral accuracy, and immediacy of certain instruments was really phenomenal. (Compare to the sounds you hear in a modern movie theater, which to my ears are horrifically distorted and ugly) The idea about music coming out of blackness is an interesting one; the medium of vinyl itself has a certain sonic texture of its own, as does canvas as a medium for painting, celluloid for movies, and even stone or wood for three dimensional objects. New vinyl pressings can be extremely quiet, but I actually find the little bit of noise to be a natural and comforting background. In Photoshop, there is actually a feature to add grain to an image, as some people like the texture imparted by the film itself; and indeed in digital image editing, noise reduction and sharpness are always at odds. I am also very drawn to the sound of the rain, which is very much like some vinyl sounds. When I was a kid I used to like to turn the TV to snow and listen.
Quote from: XB-70 Valkyrie on December 03, 2018, 12:10:53 AMYou may find this book of interest. I am interested too, but I have so many other things to read, I doubt I will get to it. Also, I am not completely sold on all the arguments; I am a professional photo/electron micrographer and amateur landscape photographer, and I very much doubt I will ever go back to film.https://www.amazon.co.uk/Revenge-Analog-Real-Things-Matter/dp/1610398211/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1543828081&sr=8-1&keywords=revenge+of+analog
Quote from: Irons on December 02, 2018, 03:12:23 AMI don't think I have heard a Philips recording with better sound. Fascinating to hear Bach (both) filtered through Mozart.
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on December 03, 2018, 01:03:47 PMNostalgia rush!Here's one I wish I had back (well, no turntable).
Quote from: Irons on December 02, 2018, 11:32:52 PM My first reaction was they were a set of 78's but then read the small print. Must be very early. Going by the date helpfully given, could it be possible it was simultaneous release on 78 and 33 1/3 ? Which would explain the unusual packaging.
Quote from: aligreto on December 04, 2018, 07:35:16 AMGood point; I did not think of that.
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on December 04, 2018, 08:32:57 AMIt's been released on CD.https://www.amazon.com/Handel-Messiah-Elsie-Suddaby/dp/B00000FDCF/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1543944291&sr=8-5&keywords=handel+beecham+messiah+royal+philharmonicOne of the comments describes it as a 1947 recording. That would put it before the first LP was marketed, in 1949 and the transfer is described as done from 78 rpm discs.By that time analog tape recorders existed, but it may be that the original recordings were cut into discs rather than put on tape. Although the LP became commercial in 1949 vinyl discs running at 33 1/3 were in common use for radio transcription and other professional sound production purposes as early as the 1930s.
Quote from: aligreto on December 04, 2018, 08:48:45 AMThank you very much for the additional information which is very interesting. Perhaps it explains why it is a 4 X LP set which I did not previously mention.
Quote from: Ghost of Baron Scarpia on December 04, 2018, 09:00:21 AMI remember reading somewhere that since they did not have sound "editing" in those days and disc cutting could not be interrupted they would master an 20 minutes LP from 3 minute shellac discs by having an array phonographs cued up. When as each shellac disc ended they would switch over to the next disc.
Quote from: Irons on November 22, 2018, 11:40:48 PMThis may have been tried in the past and sunk without trace.Is there any enthusiasm with forum members for a thread on not only the LP record but the music of the era they were produced? A platform to express all views, even if you cannot stand them (an understandable view).
Quote from: Archaic Torso of Apollo on December 04, 2018, 01:53:39 PMYou might be interested in this thread I started years ago - it's about LPs that were never reissued, or are hard to find:http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,22613.msg765709.html#msg765709
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