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Offline Biffo

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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #200 on: February 26, 2019, 08:03:06 AM »
Yes that is the one. Ancerl is usually more restrained in his readings but here he just lets it rip.

I am surprised that a few fellow GMG'ers have not heard the Szell recording. I don't think the cd is all that rare. You mean you have not heard the LP version?

I have Abbado, Ancerl, Kubelik (x2), Rattle, Mackerras, Belohlavek (x2), Gardiner, Netopil and Neumann but not Szell, never even knew it existed until these recent postings.

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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #201 on: February 27, 2019, 09:04:45 AM »
The main difference between a collector of CDs and LPs is that the former chooses his/her additions and the latter the additions chooses the collector. I do enjoy the lucky-dip element of which treasure is going to turn up next, but it is a haphazard way of building a collection of music. A typical motley crew purchase today from the good people at Classical Exchange.

Haydn: String Quartets Op.76 No.2 & No.5. The Hungarian SQ.

Haydn: String Quartets Op.76 No.5 & No.6. Amadeus SQ.

Bartok/Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No.1 & No.4. Rudolf Serkin, Ormandy and The Philadelphia.

Dvorak/Suk: String Serenades. Vlach, Czech Chamber Orchestra.

Anton Rubinstein: 5th Symphony. Zverev USSR Radio Orchestra.

Prokofiev: 1st & 7th Symphonies. Weller and LSO.

Prokofiev: The Prodigal Son. Rozhdestvensky MRSO.

Rimsky/Glazounov: "Antar" Symphony & Scénes de Ballet. Ivanov/Rozhdestvensky, MRSO.

Beethoven" Diabelli Variations. Stephen Bishop.

Kodaly: Galanta/Marosszék/Concerto for Orchestra/Theatre Overture. Dorati with PH.

Kodaly: Peacock Variations/Ballet-Music/Summer Evening/ Rondo. Dorati with PH.

Gabrial Pierné: Images/Paysages/Les Cathédrales. Dervaux with Orchestre Philharmonique des Pays de Loire.

You must have a very good opinion of yourself to write a symphony - John Ireland.

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« Reply #202 on: March 05, 2019, 08:07:18 AM »


I picked this up mainly because the cheesy cover perversely appealed. Cleaned, filed away and promptly forgot all about it. After at least six months I got around to actually playing, and repeated the experience many times since as it is very good! The 3 movements from "Mother Goose" are exquisitely played by Smith and Sellick. Debussy is superb, this pair have a real feel for the French pianistic idiom. Brahms is another world, but they are great here too. Excellent!
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« Reply #203 on: March 08, 2019, 08:01:59 AM »


LP cover art is a subject in itself. A heavy tome published in 2008 "Classique Cover Art for Classical Music" features 777 covers from a LP collection owned by a certain Dr. Horst Scerg Sandhausen.
I have zero knowledge of modern art but that is no barrier in appreciation. I like the covers put out by Supraphon. Some are in-house but others by Czech artists.
The one on the left "Musical Stil-Life" (1928) is by Emil Filla and the other, "Fugue in Two Colours" (1920)  by Frantisek Kupka. Both are housed in the National Gallery, Prague.
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« Reply #204 on: March 14, 2019, 08:19:03 AM »
The main difference between a collector of CDs and LPs is that the former chooses his/her additions and the latter the additions chooses the collector. I do enjoy the lucky-dip element of which treasure is going to turn up next, but it is a haphazard way of building a collection of music. A typical motley crew purchase today from the good people at Classical Exchange.

Haydn: String Quartets Op.76 No.2 & No.5. The Hungarian SQ.

Haydn: String Quartets Op.76 No.5 & No.6. Amadeus SQ.

Bartok/Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No.1 & No.4. Rudolf Serkin, Ormandy and The Philadelphia.

Dvorak/Suk: String Serenades. Vlach, Czech Chamber Orchestra.

Anton Rubinstein: 5th Symphony. Zverev USSR Radio Orchestra.

Prokofiev: 1st & 7th Symphonies. Weller and LSO.

Prokofiev: The Prodigal Son. Rozhdestvensky MRSO.

Rimsky/Glazounov: "Antar" Symphony & Scénes de Ballet. Ivanov/Rozhdestvensky, MRSO.

Beethoven" Diabelli Variations. Stephen Bishop.

Kodaly: Galanta/Marosszék/Concerto for Orchestra/Theatre Overture. Dorati with PH.

Kodaly: Peacock Variations/Ballet-Music/Summer Evening/ Rondo. Dorati with PH.

Gabrial Pierné: Images/Paysages/Les Cathédrales. Dervaux with Orchestre Philharmonique des Pays de Loire.
Quite a nice haul there Irons!   :)

I thought about your comments regarding the differences in terms of CD vs. LP collectors and at first I agreed, but then I thought about it some more and didn't agree quite so much.  I haven't been buying new CDs as much lately--more relying on chance luck whilst digging through used CDs (either at a real record/CD store or at charity shops).  I'll add my 'new' (used) ones to the list of recent acquisitions when I get a chance.

Regarding LPs, I ran across a LP of Fournier playing I believe Nos. 5 & 6 of Bach's Suites for Solo Cello in great shape at a record store whilst browsing with a friend.  I balked at the price though on it partly as I wasn't in the best of moods (thinking that I had lost several things).  My friend, feeling badly for me, went back the next day and bought it for me and surprised me with it the next time that we got together!  And in the end, I was able to locate the items that I had lost.   :)

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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #205 on: March 14, 2019, 08:20:51 AM »


LP cover art is a subject in itself. A heavy tome published in 2008 "Classique Cover Art for Classical Music" features 777 covers from a LP collection owned by a certain Dr. Horst Scerg Sandhausen.
I have zero knowledge of modern art but that is no barrier in appreciation. I like the covers put out by Supraphon. Some are in-house but others by Czech artists.
The one on the left "Musical Stil-Life" (1928) is by Emil Filla and the other, "Fugue in Two Colours" (1920)  by Frantisek Kupka. Both are housed in the National Gallery, Prague.

And yet more great finds for you!  Envious of the Gertler finds; were you able to get them for a decent price Irons?

Best,

PD

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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #206 on: March 15, 2019, 12:14:45 AM »
Quite a nice haul there Irons!   :)

I thought about your comments regarding the differences in terms of CD vs. LP collectors and at first I agreed, but then I thought about it some more and didn't agree quite so much.  I haven't been buying new CDs as much lately--more relying on chance luck whilst digging through used CDs (either at a real record/CD store or at charity shops).  I'll add my 'new' (used) ones to the list of recent acquisitions when I get a chance.

Regarding LPs, I ran across a LP of Fournier playing I believe Nos. 5 & 6 of Bach's Suites for Solo Cello in great shape at a record store whilst browsing with a friend.  I balked at the price though on it partly as I wasn't in the best of moods (thinking that I had lost several things).  My friend, feeling badly for me, went back the next day and bought it for me and surprised me with it the next time that we got together!  And in the end, I was able to locate the items that I had lost.   :)



That is what you call a friend, P. :) After reading your post I played 5. I do like the Milos Sadlo set but without doubt Fournier is the top recommendation available on LP. A gentle hint would not be amiss for Vol. 1&2. ;)
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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #207 on: March 15, 2019, 06:18:22 AM »
That is what you call a friend, P. :) After reading your post I played 5. I do like the Milos Sadlo set but without doubt Fournier is the top recommendation available on LP. A gentle hint would not be amiss for Vol. 1&2. ;)
I'll keep that in mind!   ;D ;)

By the way,  do you (or anyone else here who reads this) know how to quote multiple people in making a reply?  I haven't been able to figure that one out...  ::)

PD

p.s.  The store that had the record was asking $20 for that LP (which seemed quite pricey to me).  Have you seen any copies of any of those LPs for less Irons?  I found this on e-Bay (It's the same edition that he purchased for me but Nos. 1 & 2).  https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bach-Pierre-Fournier-Suites-for-Solo-Cello-1-2-Archiv-198-186-LP-/173835011173

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« Reply #208 on: March 15, 2019, 06:39:38 AM »
I'll keep that in mind!   ;D ;)

By the way,  do you (or anyone else here who reads this) know how to quote multiple people in making a reply?  I haven't been able to figure that one out...  ::)

PD

When you've started a post you will see that you are at the top of a page where previous posts are arrayed below. Each has an "Insert Quote" link, which inserts a quote wherever your cursor happens to be.

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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #209 on: March 15, 2019, 07:20:46 AM »
When you've started a post you will see that you are at the top of a page where previous posts are arrayed below. Each has an "Insert Quote" link, which inserts a quote wherever your cursor happens to be.
Hmmm.....(giving it a try)....like this?


By the way,  do you (or anyone else here who reads this) know how to quote multiple people in making a reply?  I haven't been able to figure that one out...  ::)

PD



EDIT:  Hey, it worked!  Thank you Ghost!   :)

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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #210 on: March 15, 2019, 07:33:05 AM »


p.s.  The store that had the record was asking $20 for that LP (which seemed quite pricey to me).  Have you seen any copies of any of those LPs for less Irons?  I found this on e-Bay (It's the same edition that he purchased for me but Nos. 1 & 2).  https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bach-Pierre-Fournier-Suites-for-Solo-Cello-1-2-Archiv-198-186-LP-/173835011173

That is about right. Solo string Bach has a premium - if the artist is female, a further premium! The Archive cream covers in stereo sell for silly money  https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PIERRE-FOURNIER-BACH-Cello-suites-N-1-4-ARCHIV-RED-TAG-GERMANY-2LP-ORG-press/163576172364?hash=item2615e64f4c:g:wRgAAOSw5cJaoEcD I prefer your issue, as extremely difficult to remove LP from the cream cover without tearing and/or leaving finger marks on the record groove.
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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #211 on: March 15, 2019, 10:02:10 AM »
That is about right. Solo string Bach has a premium - if the artist is female, a further premium! The Archive cream covers in stereo sell for silly money  https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PIERRE-FOURNIER-BACH-Cello-suites-N-1-4-ARCHIV-RED-TAG-GERMANY-2LP-ORG-press/163576172364?hash=item2615e64f4c:g:wRgAAOSw5cJaoEcD I prefer your issue, as extremely difficult to remove LP from the cream cover without tearing and/or leaving finger marks on the record groove.
Boy, well, then it might take me a while to acquire the other two then.   :(  I will take a good look through that record shop next time I go back there (which could be in the very near future)....perhaps they purchased them from the same person but hadn't yet gotten around to putting them out?  One can hope anyway.  I double-checked through my CDs, but alas, I don't have the Bach recordings of Fournier.  I do have two sets:  that EMI Icon set and also DG's The Originals of his recordings...plus a few single CDs too.  I know that I have at least one other LP with Fournier (on DG)...trying to remember what was on that album.  If I'm recalling correctly, the LP was in good shape; the cover, lousy.

Which female cellists' recordings do you particularly enjoy (re Bach) Irons?

Oooh!  No more music listening to me for a bit; Roger is about ready to step onto the court (vs. a 22 year-old and talented Hungarian tennis player at Indian Wells in the quarters)!   ;D

Best,

PD

EDIT:  My goof; the other player is from Poland!   :-[

EDIT 2:  I see that DG reissued the LPs in 2017 (probably sold out.  I see that they're listed as being on back order on Arkivmusic's website though).  https://www.deutschegrammophon.com/us/cat/4796963
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« Reply #212 on: March 15, 2019, 02:41:34 PM »
Had an enjoyable day out yesterday. Spent 1.5 hrs cleaning 15 LPs at my audio dealer, followed by lunch. My usual place, which has Ayinger Doppelbock on tap, along with delicious waffles, served until 4PM (you won't see me out of bed before 10) are locally famous. However, the place was closed yesterday due to some nearby construction. Hence, I made it to our local Italian place for a pescatore with tomato base, pinot noir, and dark chocolate/sea salt dessert with cappucino.

Highlights of the classical LPs

- Albert Spalding plays Tartini sonatas on Remington
- Alfred Cortot plays Chopin etudes on Pathé
- Herman Abendroth conducts Tchaikovsky Symphony No 4 on Urania
- Oscar Shumsky plays Bach Sonatas and Partitas on MHS 3 LP (recent eBay find)
- Hollywood SQ plays quartets by Smetana ("From my life") and Glazunov Novelettes
- Paul Paray conducts Mendelssohn Reformation Symphony etc., on Mercury Living Presence Stereo

That, plus a few others and a bunch of jazz will keep me busy for another few months (FLAC one a week)
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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #213 on: March 16, 2019, 01:43:35 AM »
PD, I cannot think of female cellists playing Bach but there are some fine specialist Bach pianists, including Tatiana Nikolaeva and Rosalyn Tureck. But I did say string players so my vote would go to the delectable Johanna Martzy. I see her recording of Bach is sold out and I very much doubt there will be a re-press so my kids may make a few bob out of that one day. ::)



Her recordings are extremely rare for the simple reason she didn't make many. There is a "me too" reason why, a fascinating but tragic story (if true).
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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #214 on: March 16, 2019, 07:16:25 AM »
PD, I cannot think of female cellists playing Bach but there are some fine specialist Bach pianists, including Tatiana Nikolaeva and Rosalyn Tureck. But I did say string players so my vote would go to the delectable Johanna Martzy. I see her recording of Bach is sold out and I very much doubt there will be a re-press so my kids may make a few bob out of that one day. ::)

There are very many female cellists who play Bach, and do it splendidly.

Martzy's Bach S&P are not sold out. They are f.i. contained in this box, but of course it is CD:

https://www.amazon.fr/Bach-Sonates-Partitas-violoncelle-Coffret/dp/B000V1Z0CG/ref=sr_1_10?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=johanna+martzy+bach&qid=1552749137&s=music&sr=1-10
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« Reply #215 on: March 17, 2019, 01:42:08 AM »
There are very many female cellists who play Bach, and do it splendidly.

Martzy's Bach S&P are not sold out. They are f.i. contained in this box, but of course it is CD:

https://www.amazon.fr/Bach-Sonates-Partitas-violoncelle-Coffret/dp/B000V1Z0CG/ref=sr_1_10?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=johanna+martzy+bach&qid=1552749137&s=music&sr=1-10

I'm sure there are.

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« Reply #216 on: March 21, 2019, 01:37:38 AM »
Michael Fremer, a contributor to "Stereophile",  is well known in the vinyl world. Talks with authority on all things LP, particularly on what it is played on. I would think he would be the first to admit that his knowledge of classical music is not great but should that bar him from talking about the subject? His YT talk on the best Beethoven set of symphonies has caused quiet a stir on a vinyl based forum. One side of the argument most vitriol in their view that he should not give a lecture on a subject he knows nothing about. The other is that is being elitist, why not chip in even if you are not an "expert". To be fair to Fremer he does not pretend to be one.
My own view is listening to Fremer I'm not going to learn anything about Beethoven but am entertained. So fine, talk away. It made me feel slightly queasy that he was mocked for not pronouncing names such as "Rubinstein" correctly. That lost the argument for me.

https://youtu.be/0V82SMCcuPU
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« Reply #217 on: March 22, 2019, 06:05:30 AM »
Had an enjoyable day out yesterday. Spent 1.5 hrs cleaning 15 LPs at my audio dealer, followed by lunch. My usual place, which has Ayinger Doppelbock on tap, along with delicious waffles, served until 4PM (you won't see me out of bed before 10) are locally famous. However, the place was closed yesterday due to some nearby construction. Hence, I made it to our local Italian place for a pescatore with tomato base, pinot noir, and dark chocolate/sea salt dessert with cappucino.

Highlights of the classical LPs

- Albert Spalding plays Tartini sonatas on Remington
- Alfred Cortot plays Chopin etudes on Pathé
- Herman Abendroth conducts Tchaikovsky Symphony No 4 on Urania
- Oscar Shumsky plays Bach Sonatas and Partitas on MHS 3 LP (recent eBay find)
- Hollywood SQ plays quartets by Smetana ("From my life") and Glazunov Novelettes
- Paul Paray conducts Mendelssohn Reformation Symphony etc., on Mercury Living Presence Stereo

That, plus a few others and a bunch of jazz will keep me busy for another few months (FLAC one a week)

Both your meal and your LPs sound lovely!  Are the albums new to you or are those some of the ones that you cleaned and are now listening to?  By the way, what kind of record cleaning machine does your dealer have?

Best wishes,

PD

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« Reply #218 on: March 22, 2019, 07:17:24 AM »
His YT talk on the best Beethoven set of symphonies has caused quiet a stir on a vinyl based forum[...]
My own view is listening to Fremer I'm not going to learn anything about Beethoven but am entertained.... https://youtu.be/0V82SMCcuPU

I was entertained too. Thanks for the link. Interestingly, his first two recommendations (Karajan and Bernstein) are box sets I too own.

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« Reply #219 on: March 22, 2019, 07:57:33 AM »
I was entertained too. Thanks for the link. Interestingly, his first two recommendations (Karajan and Bernstein) are box sets I too own.

Sarge

I laughed at his description of a German and English interpretation of a Beethoven symphony.
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