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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #1600 on: September 16, 2022, 01:11:54 AM »
Thanks for the Wirth piano maker information, that's completely new to me. Given that he belongs to around 1900 and closed in 1929, the foundation must have supported quite a lot of projects during its existence, one would think.

The sales happen regularly in an old church hall in central Copenhagen, it's an antiqurian book seller and butterfly expert, likely more of a pensioner now, who buys up stuff and sells it about every 2 months or so, having rented the hall and selling according to what we call the 'Ducth principle', meaning that prices go down during the sale. The record and CD section is usually not that interesting, and stuff even tends to re-appear due to not being sold, but this time he seems to have gotten some interesting stuff ... the LP surfaces were fine. But especially the book sections tends to be good. He's married to a Chinese (Tibetan?) and had a butterfly species on Crete named after him, so an interesting fellow.

What are the LP buying options at your place then?
He does sound like an interesting fellow!  There are some occasional ephemera shows in the area (sometimes including other things), sometimes estate sales or tag sales (tag as in yard sales).  Sometimes local books stores (used books) have LPs for sale; booksellers sometimes also have the opportunity to purchase LPs and/or other things from people wanting to either get rid of their collections (or a deceased relative's).  Kind of hit or miss.  Haven't visited a flea market in ages, so I don't know whether or not there are still any record vendors there.  As I'm sure that you have also discovered, LP condition is often lousy.  I used to also visit charity places like Salvation Army or Goodwill, but they seem to have turned into the dumping ground for collectors or record store owners/resellers--bringing their unwanted and/or damaged copies there for a tax write-off (or unwilling to pay for the cost to dispose of them themselves). 

Also, occasionally there are some record fairs in the area (small ones), but again, I haven't been to them in awhile.  I'm lucky in that there are a few stores around that sell LPs, but again, you have to be in a very patient mood and be willing to dig and examine them in good light.  Classical, alas, is often on the floor and/or in a hard-to-get-to bin!  Sigh....

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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #1601 on: September 16, 2022, 01:22:54 AM »
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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #1602 on: September 16, 2022, 01:28:06 AM »
He does sound like an interesting fellow!  There are some occasional ephemera shows in the area (sometimes including other things), sometimes estate sales or tag sales (tag as in yard sales).  Sometimes local books stores (used books) have LPs for sale; booksellers sometimes also have the opportunity to purchase LPs and/or other things from people wanting to either get rid of their collections (or a deceased relative's).  Kind of hit or miss.  Haven't visited a flea market in ages, so I don't know whether or not there are still any record vendors there.  As I'm sure that you have also discovered, LP condition is often lousy.  I used to also visit charity places like Salvation Army or Goodwill, but they seem to have turned into the dumping ground for collectors or record store owners/resellers--bringing their unwanted and/or damaged copies there for a tax write-off (or unwilling to pay for the cost to dispose of them themselves). 

Also, occasionally there are some record fairs in the area (small ones), but again, I haven't been to them in awhile.  I'm lucky in that there are a few stores around that sell LPs, but again, you have to be in a very patient mood and be willing to dig and examine them in good light.  Classical, alas, is often on the floor and/or in a hard-to-get-to bin!  Sigh....

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Well, that does seem to be quite a varied range, and pretty unpredictable as regards any future discoveries ... but I agree that especially at charity shops, they usually don't check the condition of LP surfaces enough, often with no qualified people around among the volunteer staff. I'm pretty sure that the selection in the US is quite different from the one here, since you'd see American labels and releases, maybe Canadian and Latin-South American ones too, that are extremely rare here - and vice versa. When seeing such stuff here in Denmark, it always results in looking one more time, to check it out a bit extra.

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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #1603 on: September 16, 2022, 01:54:18 AM »
Well, that does seem to be quite a varied range, and pretty unpredictable as regards any future discoveries ... but I agree that especially at charity shops, they usually don't check the condition of LP surfaces enough, often with no qualified people around among the volunteer staff. I'm pretty sure that the selection in the US is quite different from the one here, since you'd see American labels and releases, maybe Canadian and Latin-South American ones too, that are extremely rare here - and vice versa. When seeing such stuff here in Denmark, it always results in looking one more time, to check it out a bit extra.
I don't recall having seen any Latin-South American ones before.  Perhaps one might run across them in major cities?  A couple of times, I've run across a classical album manufactured in Canada or for the Canadian market.  I do run across (fairly often) records manufactured in the UK and once in a blue moon, ones made in France.  And there are situations, like with Decca, in which the covers were made in the US, but the records were made in England.  Then there are Dutch pressings on Philips (quite common).  Also, once in a blue moon, I'll run across albums pressed in Italy.

Personally, I'm envious of all of those lovely Decca and EMI pressings that folks like Irons keep running across!  :)  I suspect that you often run across BIS LPs?  Once in a blue moon, I'll come across some of them--but not often enough!  I want to get ahold of more of that Sibelius Edition!  :D  Which labels do you often come across MT?  Dacapo?  Others?  Do tell!  ;D

Oh, and I often run across German pressings too--fairly often anyway.

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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #1604 on: September 16, 2022, 08:46:27 AM »
I don't recall having seen any Latin-South American ones before.  Perhaps one might run across them in major cities?  A couple of times, I've run across a classical album manufactured in Canada or for the Canadian market.  I do run across (fairly often) records manufactured in the UK and once in a blue moon, ones made in France.  And there are situations, like with Decca, in which the covers were made in the US, but the records were made in England.  Then there are Dutch pressings on Philips (quite common).  Also, once in a blue moon, I'll run across albums pressed in Italy.

Personally, I'm envious of all of those lovely Decca and EMI pressings that folks like Irons keep running across!  :)  I suspect that you often run across BIS LPs?  Once in a blue moon, I'll come across some of them--but not often enough!  I want to get ahold of more of that Sibelius Edition!  :D  Which labels do you often come across MT?  Dacapo?  Others?  Do tell!  ;D

Oh, and I often run across German pressings too--fairly often anyway.

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There's a lot of stuff here, I'd rather mention some LP labels that I don't see that often, or rarely (there are some BIS at times, but they're not abundant):

European labels:
- Wergo (German)
- Deutscher Musikrat (German)
- Donemus Amsterdam (Dutch)
- Ensayo (Spanish)
- Amadeo (Austrian)
- Balkanton (Bulgarian)
- Jugoton (former Yugoslavia)
- Cybele, Accord, REM, Musidisc (French)
- Paula, Point, Wilhelm Hansen (Danish)
- Musique en Wallonie (Belgian)
- Caprice (Swedish)
- Simax (Norwegian)
- Lyrita (British)
- Chandos (British)
- Genesis
- Pearl (British)

Overseas/US labels:
- Louisville
- American Recording Society
- International Piano Archives
- United Artists Records
- Telarc
- New World Records
- Mercury, the stereo LPs
- CRI Composers Recordings
- Desto
- Orion
- World Record Club
- Arabesque
- Connoisseur Society
- Marco Polo

(I'm sure I forgot some :) )
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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #1605 on: September 16, 2022, 09:23:06 AM »
There's a lot of stuff here, I'd rather mention some LP labels that I don't see that often, or rarely (there are some BIS at times, but they're not abundant):

European labels:
- Wergo (German)
- Deutscher Musikrat (German)
- Donemus Amsterdam (Dutch)
- Ensayo (Spanish)
- Amadeo (Austrian)
- Balkanton (Bulgarian)
- Jugoton (former Yugoslavia)
- Cybele, Accord, REM, Musidisc (French)
- Paula, Point, Wilhelm Hansen (Danish)
- Musique en Wallonie (Belgian)
- Caprice (Swedish)
- Simax (Norwegian)
- Lyrita (British)
- Chandos (British)
- Genesis
- Pearl (British)

Overseas/US labels:
- Louisville
- American Recording Society
- International Piano Archives
- United Artists Records
- Telarc
- New World Records
- Mercury, the stereo LPs
- CRI Composers Recordings
- Desto
- Orion
- World Record Club
- Arabesque
- Connoisseur Society
- Marco Polo

(I'm sure I forgot some :) )
Oh, boy, there are a bunch of labels that I've never heard of before!   ???  Like:  Orion, Desto, Louisville, Genesis, and others.

I do also sometimes stumble upon Lyrita and Chandos (the latter more frequently of the two).  Connoisseur Society--on occasion though with that label condition is everything!  Particularly in solo piano music.  Trying to find copies in good shape of Moravec's is a challenge!

Finlandia is another label that I'd love to get ahold of more of whether it's CD or LP.  I do have some CDs of theirs.

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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #1606 on: September 16, 2022, 09:46:29 AM »
Yes, for quite a few labels, CDs are easier to find nowadays, partly because of more stuff being released on CD, and better options of buying CDs on the internet, of course. 

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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #1607 on: September 17, 2022, 04:27:56 AM »
Horslips: Drive The Cold Winter Away





I was given a gift of this LP recently. It needs a bit of TLC but it has come to a good home.
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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #1608 on: September 17, 2022, 04:29:36 AM »
Spinning.

Beethoven: Trio No.6 "Archduke".



Intense music-making. Notes included details of the recording, all trios set down in long takes. 0p.70 No.2 recorded complete in one session.

Du Pré was a Force of Nature!
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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #1609 on: September 17, 2022, 04:31:19 AM »
Bought these some days ago, for a very reasonable price, at an antiquarian sale.

The old LP with Danish piano music is very rare, I never saw it before, the cover is slightly damaged however.

Rarity also applies to the 2LP with 20th century lieder by Reimann, Bialas, Schoenberg, Britten, Dallapiccola etc., released by a German foundation, the Franz Wirth Stiftung. There isn't a label or record number on the cover, but the LPs say GEMA 2834-35.

Some of the fine CPE Bach flute concertos were released on Brilliant CDs, but this is the complete set.

A lot of the Neue Wiener Schule 4LP recordings I haven't heard, I only owned a download CD of the famous Schoenberg String Trio, and I've heard almost none of those Menuhin 4LP recordings. He tends to be uneven I think, but he also has character ...

The Shchedrin /Petrov was rather redundant, but I didn't have the Petrov work.




Nice haul! I am sure that you will thoroughly enjoy them.
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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #1610 on: September 18, 2022, 11:20:53 PM »
There's a lot of stuff here, I'd rather mention some LP labels that I don't see that often, or rarely (there are some BIS at times, but they're not abundant):

European labels:
- Wergo (German)
- Deutscher Musikrat (German)
- Donemus Amsterdam (Dutch)
- Ensayo (Spanish)
- Amadeo (Austrian)
- Balkanton (Bulgarian)
- Jugoton (former Yugoslavia)
- Cybele, Accord, REM, Musidisc (French)
- Paula, Point, Wilhelm Hansen (Danish)
- Musique en Wallonie (Belgian)
- Caprice (Swedish)
- Simax (Norwegian)
- Lyrita (British)
- Chandos (British)
- Genesis
- Pearl (British)

Overseas/US labels:
- Louisville
- American Recording Society
- International Piano Archives
- United Artists Records
- Telarc
- New World Records
- Mercury, the stereo LPs
- CRI Composers Recordings
- Desto
- Orion
- World Record Club
- Arabesque
- Connoisseur Society
- Marco Polo

(I'm sure I forgot some :) )

The only labels I'm not familiar with on your European list are Deutscher Musikrat, Donemus and Paula, Point, Wilhelm Hansen.

I picked up an Etcetera LP this weekend which I'm pretty excited about.



I was convinced Etcetera a US label but think I must be confusing with a label of a similar name which specialised in Blues music.
This Hindemith LP released in 1983 includes the following information: The Etcetera Record Company, Keizergracht 518, 1017 EK, Amsterdam.
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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #1611 on: September 19, 2022, 12:35:27 AM »
Yes, Etcetera is often very good stuff, and that one looks great. I also hope to find the Cage Sonatas & Interludes with Fremy one day, at a not too expensive price, for example - maybe the most attractive recording of those works (?), at least as I seem to remember it from bygone days.
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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #1612 on: September 21, 2022, 12:21:27 AM »
While waiting for the RVW I found Pablo Casals directing the Marlborough Festival Orchestra in Haydn Symphonies 94 (Bam!) and 95, used at the hefty price of NOK 20. Damn fine music making it is!
What I've also done is to put in a preorder for the refurbished Solti Ring. On 3+5+5+6 LPs. But why? Well, I like spinning black gold, and the packaging looks promising. The price is in a different league of course, but not significantly more than the hybrid SACD set.
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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #1613 on: September 22, 2022, 11:38:34 PM »
I have paid way too much for some LPs in the far-off days as a hard-nosed collector. Low budget is more fun. I shuddered with embarrassment on discovering when seeing the price sticker affixed to the inner-sleeve at £50! A fool and his money.........



Ticks all right boxes though being a first edition wide band with both record and cover being pristine.
More importantly I liked Honegger's 4th Symphony very much. Coincidently, "Deliciae Basilienses" is a work by a Swiss composer, conducted by a Swiss conductor, recorded in Geneva with a subject of another Swiss city, Basel.

Edit: and a Swiss orchestra.
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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #1614 on: September 23, 2022, 12:30:47 AM »
I have paid way too much for some LPs in the far-off days as a hard-nosed collector. Low budget is more fun. I shuddered with embarrassment on discovering when seeing the price sticker affixed to the inner-sleeve at £50! A fool and his money.........



Ticks all right boxes though being a first edition wide band with both record and cover being pristine.
More importantly I liked Honegger's 4th Symphony very much. Coincidently, "Deliciae Basilienses" is a work by a Swiss composer, conducted by a Swiss conductor, recorded in Geneva with a subject of another Swiss city, Basel.

Edit: and a Swiss orchestra.

Swiss prices for a Swiss treat!  ;D
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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #1615 on: September 23, 2022, 04:16:28 AM »
Swiss prices for a Swiss treat!  ;D
I remember ironically playing Honegger's charming and eloquent Symphony 'Delights of Basle' to myself after Switzerland beat England in a 1982 World Cup qualifying match (in Basle).
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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #1616 on: September 23, 2022, 04:49:33 AM »
Swiss prices for a Swiss treat!  ;D
I have paid way too much for some LPs in the far-off days as a hard-nosed collector. Low budget is more fun. I shuddered with embarrassment on discovering when seeing the price sticker affixed to the inner-sleeve at £50! A fool and his money.........



Ticks all right boxes though being a first edition wide band with both record and cover being pristine.
More importantly I liked Honegger's 4th Symphony very much. Coincidently, "Deliciae Basilienses" is a work by a Swiss composer, conducted by a Swiss conductor, recorded in Geneva with a subject of another Swiss city, Basel.

Edit: and a Swiss orchestra.
Glad that you are enjoying it as that's what matters in the end.  :)  Perhaps treat yourself to some really good Swiss chocolate to accompany it?

Speaking of things Swiss, I'm currently catching bits of the Laver Cup going on for the next three days in London.  Roger's last match tonight (your time), so probably won't be getting in much music listening today.  That and trying to come up with some ways to use up my tomatoes and eggplants and peppers!

PD

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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #1617 on: September 23, 2022, 04:55:11 AM »
I remember ironically playing Honegger's charming and eloquent Symphony 'Delights of Basle' to myself after Switzerland beat England in a 1982 World Cup qualifying match (in Basle).

Something of a masochistic compensation on your part at the time, Jeffrey.  ;D
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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #1618 on: September 23, 2022, 06:09:14 AM »
Glad that you are enjoying it as that's what matters in the end.  :)  Perhaps treat yourself to some really good Swiss chocolate to accompany it?

Speaking of things Swiss, I'm currently catching bits of the Laver Cup going on for the next three days in London.  Roger's last match tonight (your time), so probably won't be getting in much music listening today.  That and trying to come up with some ways to use up my tomatoes and eggplants and peppers!

PD

It is the good lady of the house birthday today, PD. So no music, tennis or indeed Swiss chocolate tonight, but maybe a beer or two.
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Re: Thirty three and a third.
« Reply #1619 on: September 23, 2022, 06:13:08 AM »
I remember ironically playing Honegger's charming and eloquent Symphony 'Delights of Basle' to myself after Switzerland beat England in a 1982 World Cup qualifying match (in Basle).

I don't remember that, Jeffrey. The cover image of Ansermet's recording is a nice shot of Basle. Looks a nice city.
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