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Quote from: steve ridgway on June 16, 2020, 07:53:23 AMOh all right. I am not going to give personal info to a load of dodgy "quiz" sites but have added to the dreams thread.
Quote from: Wanderer on June 16, 2020, 09:46:59 AMBan politics already, or at least exclude the relevant threads from the "show unread posts" query.
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 16, 2020, 10:06:54 AMThere is exactly 1 thread on USA Politics. It is called 'USA Politics'. If you can't avoid 1 thread, well, there isn't a whole lot I can do from here.
Quote from: Mirror Image on June 16, 2020, 10:26:24 AMThere's actually several US political threads: the coronavirus one is essentially a US political thread in disguise of something it's not, next is the Brexit thread and then there's a Boris Johnson thread, which both of these threads have US politics wrapped around them for better or for worse (for the worse I say). But my point is it's not a question of avoidance, it's a question of whether they belong on a music forum. There's absolutely nothing wrong with creating a thread on headphones or the weather. This is harmless stuff, but when it comes to politics and religion, but mainly politics this forum has proven that it cannot respectfully disagree, but, instead, turns into an ad hom blood bath in which the only victims are the ones that are doing the insulting and not the other way around. I'm glad that there have been steps taken to prevent people from bashing each other on the political threads, but even with these measures taken, it has proven that, again, people aren't happy here and, in fact, it has caused more of a ruckus than when there were no guidelines implemented. The end result is the same: people are unhappy and they're leaving. Hell, I've been splitting some of my time on Talk Classical and have generally enjoyed the environment.
Quote from: MusicTurner on June 16, 2020, 11:30:37 AMThere is discussion of governmental strategies and discussions regarding many other countries in the corona thread. It's obvious that you can't discuss or deal with the virus without debating governmental and administrative issues.The Boris Johnson thread is marginally relating to Trump at times, but it's certainly not about US politics.I don't recall dealing with the US or #45 in those threads. I gave up a long time ago, due to the obvious cultural differences that just keep emerging again and again. One post of mine, I think in a US thread, was a quote of a #45 remark that was, er, a bit strange and had some ~entertainment value.
Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 16, 2020, 03:53:36 AMI don't think it makes sense to have policies set in different areas. It makes things confusing. Right now, it would be one thread, but who's to say it wouldn't expand. I think it's much easier to have it all in one place. I also think it's inconsistent. A post in one thread is fine, but the same type of post in another is not? That doesn't make any sense to me. That's why I would delete the idea of deleting links without text completely. I also think that giving the moderators the power to delete questionable posts based entirely on their whim without some sort of backing to what that might entail is problematic to say the least. It means their interpretation of everything is what is important, not the rules set out for all to follow. TO be clear, I am not accusing anybody of anything. But it does make these sorts of... questionable....actions all too easy.
Quote from: Madiel on June 16, 2020, 02:04:46 PMThere were already different policies in different areas. The guidelines you're fond of quoting make quite clear that The Diner is a distinct area. So that's frankly a pretty poor argument.As to your notion of this all being on the basis of whims, I started this by pointing out that every system requires SOMEONE to be making the decisions and the idea that there would be no discretion involved is a fantasy. Interpretation is going to be involved no matter what. Otherwise we wouldn't need moderators. We could just have software that deleted things it was programmed not to like. And our political addicts would spend all their damn time trying to outwit that.
Quote from: mc ukrneal on June 16, 2020, 05:02:23 PMAny system that is transparent, consistent and fair is a welcome one, regardless of whether I agree with it or not.
Quote from: greg on June 16, 2020, 06:20:44 PMTransparency- the policy is transparent, but i think mc meant "reasons given" why posts are deleted. That type of transparency.Consistency- no one expects 100% consistency. But instead, consistent within reason. Have the mods deleted the post advocating that Stalin should have killed more and the US should have been destroyed yet? Apparently that isn't "questionable" enough? Or are they just taking their time? If that post is okay, then that's extreme inconsistency.Fair- pretty much falls under transparent + consistent IMO.
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 16, 2020, 06:44:09 PMNot sure why that post bothers you so much, greg. While I (and obviously you) don't agree with the opinion expressed, there is certainly no reason why the poster isn't allowed to believe that way, trust me, she isn't the only person in the world who does! We are not in the business of forcing people to believe a certain line of thought, we are simply trying to get them to express their beliefs in a civil manner and to actually listen to what others say in reply.
Quote from: Florestan on June 16, 2020, 07:47:09 AMShe's either being deliberately provocative or really a nutjob.
Quote from: amw on June 16, 2020, 07:12:20 PMBut that's the reason political discussions always become heated and result in insults and such being thrown around—these are real issues of life and death.
Quote from: Madiel on June 16, 2020, 08:28:33 PMI don't think that's why they become heated. I think they become heated because these days a lot of people have tribal affiliations and identities in politics, in a way that they do for sports teams but no longer do for Team Brahms and Team Liszt/Wagner.A lot of political discussion is no longer actually about issues, about policy. It's about whether Your Team is currently scoring points. There have been studies showing how you can get a very different response to the very same policy statement depending on whether you identify it as having come from a Republican or a Democrat.
Quote from: greg on June 16, 2020, 09:22:01 PMYes. Tribalism (aka regression). Tough enough for anyone to get into any political discussion without quickly being labeled with so many assumptions. Best to not affiliate too heavily with anything. But people have this strong need to group up. I'm weird, though, if I happen to agree with someone that's fine, but I go it alone. People get lonely easily, just not a relatable thing to me.
Quote from: greg on June 16, 2020, 06:58:13 PMI don't care about the difference in opinion. I wouldn't delete a post like that if I were a mod, either, despite it being extremely disrespectful.But apparently that isn't "questionable" enough, yet my post was? Did I just enter an alternate dimension? Is it okay if I say Hitler should have killed more people?
Quote from: amw on June 16, 2020, 07:12:20 PM....I deal with it personally by just being extremely cynical and only rarely if ever posting in the threads in question. I can turn this down to "never" if the mods prefer.
Quote from: Gurn Blanston on June 17, 2020, 07:57:28 AMYou just did. And as I told you earlier, I never saw your post, but I support the integrity of the moderator who deleted it.
Quote from: Que on June 17, 2020, 08:21:09 AMMy... Are still going on about this? It must have really hit a raw nerve. If you are that sensitive, perhaps you should apply some of that sensitivity to your posts.Here is some interesting advice, from the Bible, of all places...First, remove the beam out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye.Here is another advice: stop pointing at others to justify your own actions.Q
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