Author Topic: Debussy's Corner  (Read 95681 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Uhor

  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 206
Re: Debussy's Corner
« Reply #640 on: March 24, 2020, 08:01:16 PM »

Offline vers la flamme

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 2360
  • Location: Atlanta
Re: Debussy's Corner
« Reply #641 on: March 25, 2020, 02:45:25 AM »
Debussy died 102 years ago today. Rest in peace.

I'm listening to La Mer, the recording with Jean Martinon and the ORTF Orchestra. Great piece.

Offline ritter

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 7029
  • Raoul Dufy, "Tragédie, Comédie"
  • Location: "La Villa y Corte"
Re: Debussy's Corner
« Reply #642 on: April 07, 2020, 06:53:53 AM »
Cross-posted from the WAYLTN thread:

First listen to this new arrival:


TBH, after reading the program notes written by Robert Orledge, I cannot get out of my head the image of him salvaging the contents of Debussy’s waste paper basket, painstakingly gluing the scraps of paper together, and completing those bits that are beyond repair. And yet, there was some damn interesting stuff in that basket, and Mr. Orledge does a splendid job in his reconstructions (clearly a labour of love). He’s also very straightforward about how he tackled each piece. We have first versions of well-known works (the beginning of La fille aux cheveux de lin, and Brouyères), a discarded movement from Le martyre de Saint-Sébastien, some longer stuff  (the ballet No-Ja-Li ou le palais du silence—which actually has been recorded before), and concert paraphrases of Mr. Orledge’s reconstructions of the two operas based on Poe (which in themselves already required a lot of intervention by the arranger). Fortunately, all the base material stems from Debussy’s maturity, so we’re spared any juvenilia that would be devoid of interest if it weren’t connected to the famous composer’s name. On the other hand, and contrary to what the blurb on the CD’s back cover states, there’s no lost masterpieces here. What we do get is a rather successful (and most enjoyable) approximation of “what might have been”, beautifully played by Nicolas Horváth, and most of it sounds like Debussy. Pastiche, or musicological feat? Does it really matter?
To expand to my comment above, do note that both the ballet No-Ja-Li and the Devil in the Belfry paraphrase include narration (in French). The narration is particularly intrusive in the latter piece, which seems to need it to hang together (so to speak), as this is probably the sketchiest work as far as original material is concerned ( and, to these ears, the least Debussy-like sounding).
ritter
-------------------------------------------------------------
"Pupillette, fiammette d'amore,
 per voi il core struggendo si va.“

Offline Madiel

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 9914
    • A musical diary
  • Location: Canberra, Australia
  • Currently Listening to:
    Whatever's listed in my blog.
Re: Debussy's Corner
« Reply #643 on: April 15, 2020, 06:42:29 PM »
Who's listened to Diane au bois?

It apparently was recorded for the first time for the Warner complete set. It's a fragment of a planned stage work, but a very substantial one lasting nearly half an hour.

And after listening to it twice today, I think it's pretty fabulous, actually. Debussy started it a bit before winning the Prix de Rome, and then did some more work on it in Rome before abandoning it.

Not that I have any idea of what's being sung, and apparently Warner didn't include vocal texts for the box in any form? Which is pretty disappointing if true. But the music is quite lovely (particularly when the tenor is singing, his voice is a real pleasure to listen to). And it's pretty fascinating because it's one of the largest things Debussy had written up to that time.
I am now working on a discography of the works of Vagn Holmboe. Please visit and also contribute!

Offline Madiel

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 9914
    • A musical diary
  • Location: Canberra, Australia
  • Currently Listening to:
    Whatever's listed in my blog.
Re: Debussy's Corner
« Reply #644 on: August 19, 2020, 04:47:52 AM »
*crickets chirping*

Righto. Next question.

I've decided I'd like to try watching Pelleas and Melisande rather than just listening to it. Does anyone have recommendations about video versions? Ideally ones that are readily available on the internet (I know there are at least a couple up on Youtube for example).
I am now working on a discography of the works of Vagn Holmboe. Please visit and also contribute!

Offline Mandryka

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 16150
Re: Debussy's Corner
« Reply #645 on: April 11, 2021, 10:25:52 AM »
Anyone done anything special with the preludes Bk 2 over the past 10 years - I mean something imaginative and provocative?
Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Offline hvbias

  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 591
Re: Debussy's Corner
« Reply #646 on: April 11, 2021, 01:01:51 PM »
Anyone done anything special with the preludes Bk 2 over the past 10 years - I mean something imaginative and provocative?

Russell Sherman has a disc from 2008 if you haven't heard it yet. I think it is both provocative and imaginative but more so in Estampes and Images than the Book 2 Preludes.

Offline Mirror Image

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 54018
  • Claude Debussy (1862 - 1918)
  • Location: Northeast GA, US
  • Currently Listening to:
    ...brume au-dessus de l’eau...
Re: Debussy's Corner
« Reply #647 on: April 11, 2021, 06:09:25 PM »
Anyone done anything special with the preludes Bk 2 over the past 10 years - I mean something imaginative and provocative?

Jumppanen on Ondine and Sasaki on Piano Classics are both admirable performances that are quite different in approach.
“Works of art create rules; rules do not create works of art.” - Claude Debussy

Offline Mirror Image

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 54018
  • Claude Debussy (1862 - 1918)
  • Location: Northeast GA, US
  • Currently Listening to:
    ...brume au-dessus de l’eau...
Re: Debussy's Corner
« Reply #648 on: April 11, 2021, 06:11:18 PM »
*crickets chirping*

Righto. Next question.

I've decided I'd like to try watching Pelleas and Melisande rather than just listening to it. Does anyone have recommendations about video versions? Ideally ones that are readily available on the internet (I know there are at least a couple up on Youtube for example).

I’m rather late to this I know, but do check out this one from Boulez:

“Works of art create rules; rules do not create works of art.” - Claude Debussy

Offline Madiel

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 9914
    • A musical diary
  • Location: Canberra, Australia
  • Currently Listening to:
    Whatever's listed in my blog.
Re: Debussy's Corner
« Reply #649 on: April 11, 2021, 07:55:18 PM »
I’m rather late to this I know, but do check out this one from Boulez:



Your reminder is timely. OperaVision put up a new version of Pelleas just 2 days ago, and that means they currently have TWO up from different companies! I hadn't looked for a while.

They also have Poulenc and Ravel operas on offer. I think I need to spend a bit of time on OperaVision now...
I am now working on a discography of the works of Vagn Holmboe. Please visit and also contribute!

Offline Mirror Image

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 54018
  • Claude Debussy (1862 - 1918)
  • Location: Northeast GA, US
  • Currently Listening to:
    ...brume au-dessus de l’eau...
Re: Debussy's Corner
« Reply #650 on: April 11, 2021, 08:54:03 PM »
Your reminder is timely. OperaVision put up a new version of Pelleas just 2 days ago, and that means they currently have TWO up from different companies! I hadn't looked for a while.

They also have Poulenc and Ravel operas on offer. I think I need to spend a bit of time on OperaVision now...

8) I never heard of OperaVision. Is it free?
“Works of art create rules; rules do not create works of art.” - Claude Debussy

Offline Madiel

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 9914
    • A musical diary
  • Location: Canberra, Australia
  • Currently Listening to:
    Whatever's listed in my blog.
Re: Debussy's Corner
« Reply #651 on: April 11, 2021, 09:38:57 PM »
8) I never heard of OperaVision. Is it free?

Yes. A website and a Youtube channel, high quality video, from a variety of smaller European opera companies, performances are usually available for about 6 months each.
I am now working on a discography of the works of Vagn Holmboe. Please visit and also contribute!

Offline Old San Antone

  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 378
  • Location: USA
Re: Debussy's Corner
« Reply #652 on: April 11, 2021, 11:01:53 PM »
Your reminder is timely. OperaVision put up a new version of Pelleas just 2 days ago, and that means they currently have TWO up from different companies! I hadn't looked for a while.

They also have Poulenc and Ravel operas on offer. I think I need to spend a bit of time on OperaVision now...

Thanks for this, I too had never heard of OperaVision.  Now subscribed.   ;)

Another grateful GMG member.    ;D

Offline Mandryka

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 16150
Re: Debussy's Corner
« Reply #653 on: April 11, 2021, 11:26:25 PM »
Thanks for the recommendations, in fact an old one has rather caught my attention, Kars

Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen

Offline Madiel

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 9914
    • A musical diary
  • Location: Canberra, Australia
  • Currently Listening to:
    Whatever's listed in my blog.
Re: Debussy's Corner
« Reply #654 on: April 11, 2021, 11:57:32 PM »
Thanks for this, I too had never heard of OperaVision.  Now subscribed.   ;)

Another grateful GMG member.    ;D

It's a really great way to become more familiar with opera. I can't remember how I found out about it, but I was quite amazed to find something completely free that offers hours and hours of material.
I am now working on a discography of the works of Vagn Holmboe. Please visit and also contribute!

Offline DavidW

  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 763
  • Location: South Carolina, USA
Re: Debussy's Corner
« Reply #655 on: April 12, 2021, 04:29:59 AM »
Yes. A website and a Youtube channel, high quality video, from a variety of smaller European opera companies, performances are usually available for about 6 months each.

Thanks!  Subscribed!

Offline Mirror Image

  • Veteran member
  • *
  • Posts: 54018
  • Claude Debussy (1862 - 1918)
  • Location: Northeast GA, US
  • Currently Listening to:
    ...brume au-dessus de l’eau...
Re: Debussy's Corner
« Reply #656 on: April 12, 2021, 05:47:24 AM »
Yes. A website and a Youtube channel, high quality video, from a variety of smaller European opera companies, performances are usually available for about 6 months each.

Thank you very much, Madiel. I’ll have to investigate this site and see what’s on it.
“Works of art create rules; rules do not create works of art.” - Claude Debussy