Bruckner's Abbey

[jlaurson]

Tally-time (moved down):

No. 00 - Inbal/Frankfurt



No. 0 - Blunier B.O.Bonn |  Marriner/Stuttgart |  Haitink/RCO | Skrowaczewski Saarbrücken



No. 1 - HvK/Berlin (x2) | Haitink/RCO (x2) | Chailly | Sawallisch/BStO | Tintner | Maazel BRSO | Wand/Cologne | Skrowaczewski Saarbrücken | Neumann




No. 2 - Stein, WPh (x4)| Jochum/Dresden (x2) | Dausgaard Swedish CO | Barenboim/BPh | Inbal/Frankfurt | HvK/Berlin | Suitner/Tokyo




No. 3 - Kubelik BRSO Sony (x3) {Audite} | Nagano/DSO (x2) | Celibidache MPhil (x2) | Böhm/WPh (x2)  | Venzago, Bern SO | Szell/ClevO | Tintner | Sinopoli/Dresden | Nezet-Seguin | Wand/Cologne




No. 4 - Böhm WPh (x4) | Kubelik, BRSO (x2) | Honeck, Pittsburgh | Blomstedt/SFSO | Wand/BPh | HvK/Berlin/EMI | Jochum Dresden  | Klemperer/BRSO | Barenboim/CSO | Barenboim/CSO  | Suitner/StaKapB | B00004YL94/CzPO | Barenboim/CSO | Ormandy/Philadelphia | Herrreweghe (Review)




No. 5 - Dohnanyi/ClevO (x3) | Celibidache MPhil (x2) | Sinopoli, Dresden (x2) | Wand, Cologne | Wand, NDRSO | Haitink/BRSO | Suitner/StakapB | Jochum/RCO/Philips {December 1986} | Klemperer/NewPO  | Harnoncourt/WPh




No. 6 - Norrington, SWR RSO (x3) (review) | HvK/Berlin (x2) | Stein/WPh (x2) | Klemperer (x2) | Haitink Dresden (x2) (review) | Sawallisch/BStO (x2) | Celibidache, MPhil | Nagano/DSO | D.R.Davies | Gielen/Baden-Baden | Bongartz/Lpzg | Keilberth/BPh 




No. 7 - HvK/Vienna (x2) | Blomstedt/Dresden (x2) | Chailly/RSO Berlin (x2) | HvK/Berlin/EMI {DG} | Haitink CSO (review) | Böhm, BRSO (review) | Böhm, WPh  | Dohnanyi/ClevO | Skrowaczewski Saarbrücken | Matacic/CzechPO | Schuricht/BPh | Herrreweghe (Review)




No. 8 - Wand, BPh (x2) | Boulez, WPh (x2) | Celibidache, MPhil, EMI (x2) | Schuricht/VPO (x2) |Böhm/WPh (x2) | Blomstedt, Leipzig | Maazel/BPh | HvK/Berlin |  Furtwängler/WPh | Haitink/RCO/69 | Haitink/RCO/81 | Chailly | Thielemann/Dresden (review)




No. 9 - Kubelik/BRSO (x2) | Wand, BPh (x2) | Giulini, WPh (x2) | Jochum/Dresden (x2) | Haitink, RCO 81 | Barenboim, BPh | Dohnanyi, Philharmonia (review) | Furtwängler/BPh | Mehta/WPh  | Walter | Rögner | Leitner | Bernstein/WPh | Rattle/Complete 





Notes:
Sawallisch is not w/BRSO but BStO in both instances. Berlin and Munich Orchestras dominate w/20 resp. 16 mentions if I counted right.
André mentioned a Zander/2 which I am not aware of; only his 5th... The Bamberg Jochum 8 seems never to have made it onto CD (and evenLP or DVD are unavailable) or else is simply not available.

Very little consensus. Assumed editorial liberties by ignoring the "Chicago-for-everything" recommendation.  Includes Drasko's choices: Speaking of Drasko: Did I get your Furtwangler Choces right? With him, it's always a bit tricky in Bruckner, given the many non-official and officialish recordings that are out there.

Conductors with Multiple Mentions (=/>4):


1 - HvK     : IIIIIIIIII 10 -
1 - Böhm    : IIIIIIIIII 10 -
1 - Haitink : IIIIIIIIII 10 ˄˄˄
4 - Wand    : IIIIIIIII 9 (˅)
5 - Kubelik : IIIIIIII 8 ˅
6 - Celi    : IIIIIII 7 ˅˅
7 - Jochum  : IIIIII 6 -
7 - Stein   : IIIIII 6 -
9 - Dohnanyi: IIIII 5 -
10 - Chailly: IIII 4 (New)

Kubelik 9th with the Berlin Philharmonic? Is this one commercially available?

Nice catch. I mistakenly just shoved it to the BRSO 9th, not thinking that there is (albeit not commercially available) a 1984 Berlin Phil performance.

[forgot to post this; by now Andre has answered it.]

Bonus:
Study Symphony: Inbal/Frankfurt
Nullified Symphony: Skrowaczewski/Saarbrücken

I am weird

Both accounted for in the tally above.

Not THAT weird, amw. Both your Herreweghe-Choices were close ones for me (hence able to supply a review for both). And while I didn't count your Jochum/Bamberg, because it's too obscure a recording, your choices were right along informed Bruckneriana-lines, no?

In the "Bruckner Conductor Pantheon" I'm a little surprised how high Kubelik ranks, despite not being particularly known as a Bruckner conductor... and despite being the only one in the top 7 mentions that doesn't have a Bruckner Symphony Cycle, incomplete or not. Oh, wait... I'm overlooking Böhm... Could one cobble a cycle together from his Bruckner recordings? Universal sits on 3, 4, 7, 8... there is 5th of his (Dresden, EMI / Profil et al.) but no 6 or 9. Why'd he never have conducted/recorded that?
The next surprise perhaps Stein, who on account of two old but golden Bruckner recordings, makes it into the phalanx of top Bruckner conductors.

[Daverz]

Generally speaking I favour swift, direct, abrasive, no-nonsense conducting

Have you heard any of Kegel's Bruckner?  Certainly abrasive, but also quite exciting.

[Dancing Divertimentian]

***Kubelik (Berlin PO),

Kubelik 9th with the Berlin Philharmonic? Is this one commercially available?

[André]

Have you heard any of Kegel's Bruckner?  Certainly abrasive, but also quite exciting.

Every Kegel performance is worth having. A great Bruckner conductor.

[André]

Kubelik 9th with the Berlin Philharmonic? Is this one commercially available?

From 09/1984, available on various labels (see John Berky's web site).

[André]

So as not to skew the tally, could I ask you to indicate THREE performances per symphony (where you have listed more) that you'd particularly want counted/think are particularly special? (i.e. as above)

I have bolded them. And added two other 6th, Keilberth and Leitner as well as Keilberth's and Leitner's ninth which I had inadvertently left out.

Edit: I forgot Schuricht in the 9th (WP, on EMI). A great interpretation.

[André]

Kubelik's BP 9: I don't think it's available commercially, although it has been issued on cd. Mine is a copy a friend sent me. It's a beautiful interpretation, unaffected and unexaggerated, in better sound than the BRSO widely available on Orfeo.

[Marc]

Here's a challenge for some of my fellow Brucknerians, what are your favorite performance(s) of Symphonies 1-9?

No. 1 - Haitink/Concertgebouw
No. 2 - Suitner/Tokyo (live)
No. 3 - Wand/Köln
No. 4 - Ormandy/Philadelphia
No. 5 - Harnoncourt/Wiener Phil
No. 6 - Haitink/Dresden (live)
No. 7 - Chailly/Berlin RSO
No. 8 - Haitink/Concertgebouw (1981)
No. 9 - Bernstein/Wiener Phil ['sentimental choice']

Bonus:
Study Symphony: Inbal/Frankfurt
Nullified Symphony: Skrowaczewski/Saarbrücken

[amw]

4 - Herreweghe
5 - Dohnanyi/Cleveland
6 - Sawallisch/Orfeo or Norrington/Stuttgart
7 - Herreweghe I guess
8 - Chailly/RCO + or - Jochum/Bamberg
9 - Rattle

I am weird

[Autumn Leaves]

Tintner and the Scots are magnificent here (the original version of the D minor).
Sarge

For sure

[Mirror Image]

I'd like to add Thielemann's 8th (w/ the Staatskapelle) to my list of favorites for this symphony. So mark this one up on your tally board, Jens.

[Brian]

9 - Rattle

This is the completed finale version?

[amw]

Indeed.

To be fair I haven't done a ton of comparative listening with Bruckner except the 6th (obviously). I have also heard Karajan, Giulini (who is also fairly good), Bernstein and maybe another one. But I like Rattle, or at least the Berlin Phil, and I like the finale, or at least the parts of it written by Bruckner. I like that it doesn't end with the Adagio, which has never convinced me.

[Archaic Torso of Apollo]

No. 9 -
           HAITINK/CONCERTGEBOUW (1981 recording)

No. 8 - Haitink/Concertgebouw (1981)

I'm glad to see mention of these 2 Haitinks. I think they're quite hard to find nowadays, but the 8th is excellent and the 9th is one of the very best. I have 'em together in an LP box.

[Marc]

I'm glad to see mention of these 2 Haitinks. I think they're quite hard to find nowadays, but the 8th is excellent and the 9th is one of the very best. I have 'em together in an LP box.

The 9th is available again, in the Haitink boxset The Philips Years.

https://www.amazon.com/Haitink-Philips-Years-20-CD/dp/B00DI5BS8M/?ie=UTF8&tag=goodmusicguideco

Strangely enough, they picked the 1969 performance of No 8 for this selection. Not that this one is 'bad', but I think that Haitink's (and Bruckner's) fans would have been more pleased with the OOP 1981 recording. The conductor's broadened insight in this later recording works much better for this work IMO, as does his 1995 recording with the Wiener Philharmoniker.

[Mirror Image]

Tally-time (moved down):

No. 00 - Inbal/Frankfurt



No. 0 - Blunier B.O.Bonn |  Marriner/Stuttgart |  Haitink/RCO | Skrowaczewski Saarbrücken



No. 1 - HvK/Berlin (x2) | Haitink/RCO (x2) | Chailly | Sawallisch/BStO | Tintner | Maazel BRSO | Wand/Cologne | Skrowaczewski Saarbrücken | Neumann




No. 2 - Stein, WPh (x4)| Jochum/Dresden (x2) | Dausgaard Swedish CO | Barenboim/BPh | Inbal/Frankfurt | HvK/Berlin | Suitner/Tokyo




No. 3 - Kubelik BRSO Sony (x3) {Audite} | Nagano/DSO (x2) | Celibidache MPhil (x2) | Böhm/WPh (x2)  | Venzago, Bern SO | Szell/ClevO | Tintner | Sinopoli/Dresden | Nezet-Seguin | Wand/Cologne




No. 4 - Böhm WPh (x4) | Kubelik, BRSO (x2) | Honeck, Pittsburgh | Blomstedt/SFSO | Wand/BPh | HvK/Berlin/EMI | Jochum Dresden  | Klemperer/BRSO | Barenboim/CSO | Barenboim/CSO  | Suitner/StaKapB | B00004YL94/CzPO | Barenboim/CSO | Ormandy/Philadelphia | Herrreweghe (Review)




No. 5 - Dohnanyi/ClevO (x3) | Celibidache MPhil (x2) | Sinopoli, Dresden (x2) | Wand, Cologne | Wand, NDRSO | Haitink/BRSO | Suitner/StakapB | Jochum/RCO/Philips {December 1986} | Klemperer/NewPO  | Harnoncourt/WPh




No. 6 - Norrington, SWR RSO (x3) (review) | HvK/Berlin (x2) | Stein/WPh (x2) | Klemperer (x2) | Haitink Dresden (x2) (review) | Sawallisch/BStO (x2) | Celibidache, MPhil | Nagano/DSO | D.R.Davies | Gielen/Baden-Baden | Bongartz/Lpzg | Keilberth/BPh 




No. 7 - HvK/Vienna (x2) | Blomstedt/Dresden (x2) | Chailly/RSO Berlin (x2) | HvK/Berlin/EMI {DG} | Haitink CSO (review) | Böhm, BRSO (review) | Böhm, WPh  | Dohnanyi/ClevO | Skrowaczewski Saarbrücken | Matacic/CzechPO | Schuricht/BPh | Herrreweghe (Review)




No. 8 - Wand, BPh (x2) | Boulez, WPh (x2) | Celibidache, MPhil, EMI (x2) | Schuricht/VPO (x2) |Böhm/WPh (x2) | Blomstedt, Leipzig | Maazel/BPh | HvK/Berlin |  Furtwängler/WPh | Haitink/RCO/69 | Haitink/RCO/81 | Chailly | Thielemann/Dresden (review)




No. 9 - Kubelik/BRSO (x2) | Wand, BPh (x2) | Giulini, WPh (x2) | Jochum/Dresden (x2) | Haitink, RCO 81 | Barenboim, BPh | Dohnanyi, Philharmonia (review) | Furtwängler/BPh | Mehta/WPh  | Walter | Rögner | Leitner | Bernstein/WPh | Rattle/Complete 





Notes:
Sawallisch is not w/BRSO but BStO in both instances. Berlin and Munich Orchestras dominate w/20 resp. 16 mentions if I counted right.
André mentioned a Zander/2 which I am not aware of; only his 5th... The Bamberg Jochum 8 seems never to have made it onto CD (and evenLP or DVD are unavailable) or else is simply not available.

Very little consensus. Assumed editorial liberties by ignoring the "Chicago-for-everything" recommendation.  Includes Drasko's choices: Speaking of Drasko: Did I get your Furtwangler Choces right? With him, it's always a bit tricky in Bruckner, given the many non-official and officialish recordings that are out there.

Conductors with Multiple Mentions (=/>4):


1 - HvK     : IIIIIIIIII 10 -
1 - Böhm    : IIIIIIIIII 10 -
1 - Haitink : IIIIIIIIII 10 ˄˄˄
4 - Wand    : IIIIIIIII 9 (˅)
5 - Kubelik : IIIIIIII 8 ˅
6 - Celi    : IIIIIII 7 ˅˅
7 - Jochum  : IIIIII 6 -
7 - Stein   : IIIIII 6 -
9 - Dohnanyi: IIIII 5 -
10 - Chailly: IIII 4 (New)

Very nice post, Jens! Great job, sir.

[TheGSMoeller]

Very nice post, Jens! Great job, sir.

Oh I need to add to this list! But it's already filled with great ones.

[Mirror Image]

Oh I need to add to this list! But it's already filled with great ones.

Yes! Show us your list! Inquiring minds want to know.

[André]

Re: the 2nd from my list. It's by Zender (Hans), not Zander (Benjamin). And it's the SWF Baden-Baden, not the Philharmonia. My mistake, sorry if I misled. Zender recorded the 2nd, Zander the 5th. I guess I was mixed up with the Mahlers recorded by Zander, whch I recently listened to 



Apparently it's unavailable on Amazon.com (USA), but available on Amazon.de (Germany)

[Mirror Image]

Re: the 2nd from my list. It's by Zender (Hans), not Zander (Benjamin). And it's the SWF Baden-Baden, not the Philharmonia. My mistake, sorry if I misled. Zender recorded the 2nd, Zander the 5th. I guess I was mixed up with the Mahlers recorded by Zander, whch I recently listened to 



Apparently it's unavailable on Amazon.com (USA), but available on Amazon.de (Germany)

How is this Zender performance, Andre?