Bruckner's Abbey

[karlhenning]

I have been so moved lately by Bruckner's choir pieces, I have some motets that are included in the Gardiner/WP Mass no.1 disc, do you recommend any particular recording of his motets?

Edit: Sorry, this should probably be under another thread.

This EMI two-fer I have includes the Masses nos. 2 (e minor) & 3 (f minor), the Te Deum & five motets:

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The motets are sung by the New Philharmonia Chorus, directed by Wilhelm Pitz.

[DavidW]

At least you are not Canadian, Karl.  Our postal strike is still on going, and it is now nationwide and has been for well over a week now.   

If it makes you feel any better I've been waiting for a Suzuki Bach set for as long now thanks to that strike and then lock-out.  I feel bad for y'all up there.  Some businesses are losing alot of money just due to customer payments not being received... because they were mailed. 

[TheGSMoeller]

This EMI two-fer I have includes the Masses nos. 2 (e minor) & 3 (f minor), the Te Deum & five motets:

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The motets are sung by the New Philharmonia Chorus, directed by Wilhelm Pitz.

Thanks for the response, Karl...and the move to the Abbey.

[DavidW]

I also like that set that Karl mentioned, great music, excellent performances.

[not edward]

That happened a few years back (not nationwide), but in the city of Toronto.  Apparently, the smell was absolutely horrendous, the whole city stank. 

Is there anyone from GMG who lives in Toronto, and can testify to this?

Sorry, blessed and beloved Anton, to trash and desecrate your Abbey with all this trash talk.   

Honestly, the reports of that were grossly exaggerated. There were some parts of town that weren't too pleasant (the ones near the temporary trash depots that the city opened up, but they were certainly very much in the minority).

[Brahmsian]

Honestly, the reports of that were grossly exaggerated. There were some parts of town that weren't too pleasant (the ones near the temporary trash depots that the city opened up, but they were certainly very much in the minority).

Thanks for clarifying this Edward.  I seemed to remember you mentioning you lived in Toronto.  Well, not surprising that the reports were grossly exaggerated, after all, that IS the media's job, eh?   

[karlhenning]

Glad to hear that you were takin' care of business, Edward! : )

[eyeresist]

Well, as I said, it might be the fault of Colin Davis, since that's how I was introduced to the 6th.  The resemblance to film scores is much less noticeable and the Lawrence of Arabia moment much more muted,  in Jochum.

James? Is that you?


MI, I'm not much of a Colin Davis fan, but I like his old Mozart recordings. Very energetic, verging on aggressive, but sometimes Mozart needs the sugar kicked out of him.

Karl, I have that Barenboim-led choral set, I like the Te Deum but the Masses are a bit... bitty. I have a CD from the Hyperion cycle and prefer that, although the English choir lacks... mass.

... Hmmm.

[Mirror Image]

MI, I'm not much of a Colin Davis fan, but I like his old Mozart recordings. Very energetic, verging on aggressive, but sometimes Mozart needs the sugar kicked out of him.

I'm not either but his Berlioz recordings are excellent.

Anyway...back to Bruckner!

[TheGSMoeller]

Just picked up my first Tintner/Bruckner disc...



...bought it mainly to get a recording of the original version of the 3rd and it's large 30 minute first movement! I think it's a good recording and am enjoying it quite a bit. It's amazing to hear the differences between Bruckner's versions, this is my first listen to the original 3rd, although I've always admired the Karajan/BP on DG disc of the 3rd.

[DavidW]

Funny you say that Greg, I'm finally listening to Nagano's 3rd this morning.

[TheGSMoeller]

Funny you say that Greg, I'm finally listening to Nagano's 3rd this morning.

Happy 3rd, David!! 

[Sergeant Rock]

I listened to Wand and Karajan's Thirds yesterday. Wand, the master of symphonic architecture, gives the most seamless account I've ever heard. The transitions are perfectly integrated, making a perfect whole (never thought I'd say that about the imperfect Third!). I like the clarity of the recording too. Unfortunately that clarity tends to highlight some of the cruder elements. The orchestra sounds like a Trabi next to the Berlin Mercedes. Wand is emotionally cool too (that's how it comes across to me anyway). I missed the tingle-factor Karajan delivers. Odd that...they are playing the same notes but Wand's Bruckner makes me think; Karajan's Bruckner makes me feel. In my Karajan/Wand playoffs, Karajan wins this one. Hearing it again after several years reminded me what a great performance it is; kin to his EMI Fourth.

Sarge

[Lethevich]

Thanks, Sarge - I look forward to more comparisons. I don't listen to Karajan's set very often, and can't make head of tails of which Wand is better or worse, so this kills two birds with one stone for me

[TheGSMoeller]

Odd that...they are playing the same notes but Wand's Bruckner makes me think; Karajan's Bruckner makes me feel.

Sarge

This is a familiar scenario with myself and Bruckner symphonies, it might take the third or fourth recording to really open my eyes, and fully understand the piece. But I find that challenge to be fascinating and deepens my respect for Bruckner as a composer, there is much more there than just notes, although that could be said for every composer, but not every composer can spark my emotions the way a Bruckner adagio can.
The 3rd's second movement is hauntingly beautiful.

[Sergeant Rock]

Thanks, Sarge - I look forward to more comparisons. I don't listen to Karajan's set very often, and can't make head of tails of which Wand is better or worse, so this kills two birds with one stone for me

I just edited it...nothing radical just a little elaboration. Very little 

Sarge

[kishnevi]

Just picked up my first Tintner/Bruckner disc...



...bought it mainly to get a recording of the original version of the 3rd and it's large 30 minute first movement! I think it's a good recording and am enjoying it quite a bit. It's amazing to hear the differences between Bruckner's versions, this is my first listen to the original 3rd, although I've always admired the Karajan/BP on DG disc of the 3rd.

Which of course raises another complication--which version are you hearing? Especially on older recordings.

I think the Tintner is a fine recording, btw.

[TheGSMoeller]

Which of course raises another complication--which version are you hearing? Especially on older recordings.

I think the Tintner is a fine recording, btw.

I know the Sinopoli is the 1877 version, not sure about the Karajan (case is boxed up in a closet at the moment)

[Sergeant Rock]

I know the Sinopoli is the 1877 version, not sure about the Karajan (case is boxed up in a closet at the moment)

Karajan is 1889, Nowak.

Sarge

[TheGSMoeller]

Maybe a dumb question, but can't find a specific answer...

Are these all the same recording?







Thanks in advance for any comments