Started by vandermolen, June 15, 2019, 04:21:09 AM
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Quote from: Irons on July 26, 2019, 06:33:08 AMThe EU wanted to make the UK suffer during the Brexit negotiations for obvious reasons. If the UK came out smelling of roses then there is a distinct prospect that either or both of Italy and Spain would follow. Their hard line approach has seen off May which until now perhaps the EU views as a victory. But it has opened a can of worms, if you keep on kicking sooner or later the one being kicked will turn and this is where Johnson comes in. I voted remain but like most Brits I have had enough. I want out, deal or no deal.
Quote from: Florestan on July 26, 2019, 10:56:38 AMDo you imply that it's EU's exclusive fault for the current lack of any reasonable deal?
Quote from: Mandryka on July 26, 2019, 12:53:01 PMObviously not but there's something you're missing. Something very serious is happening in Britain: the people are starting to lose confidence in parliamentary democracy. We are, it feels, being led by donkeys. It needs someone to cut the Gordian knot, quick. Asking about fault is a bit irrelevant.
Quote from: Que on July 27, 2019, 12:28:42 AMBoris Johnson knows that if he succeeds in a general election to win back the votes that were lost to Farage, charm or scare a sufficient number of moderate Conservative voters and attract leavers from a severely weakened and divided Labour, the British electoral system will hand him a parliamentary majority on a silver platter.You have to hand it to him: that is a clever strategy, very clever.... But without a weakened Labour it wouldn't be possible. And the prospect of a Labour government under Corbyn will scare a large number of moderate Conservatives to stick with Johnson despite Brexit. Once more Jeremy Corbyn's role will be that of Brexit enabler.None of the promised sunlit Socialist' Utopia will come true. He actually prepared the country for a hardcore right wing nationalistic government.Johnson should send him a flowers and a thank you note....Q
Quote from: Que on July 27, 2019, 07:01:38 AMIndeed, the masterplan is probably Cummings'. One further thought.... Once Johnson has his majority in Parliament, he could throw the DUP under the bus and agree to a backstop limited to Northern Ireland - as the EU originally intended. Then all will be clear to sign off on the withdrawal agreement and start negotiations on a Canada-style free trade agreement.Problem solved and the Vote Leave agenda fully implemented.... The funny thing is that, apart from the DUP, the Northern Irish will be quite fine will that solution. In a seperate customs territory that is aligned with the rest of Ireland and the EU, they will have the best of both worlds.Will this lead to a closer pull towards the Irish Republic? Probably... But only the DUP would really mind. Q
Quote from: vandermolen on July 27, 2019, 07:58:21 AMYes, if they gave the North to the South there would be no problem.
Quote from: Que on July 27, 2019, 08:46:51 AMIs that how you see it? By keeping NI in a customs union and partial regulatory alignment with the EU, it will be "handed over"?I would disagree. A seperate economic status within the UK isn't the same as becoming part of the Irish Republic. And personally I think the EU and UK should agree to leave such a decision to the Northern Irish, whatever they decide.Q
Quote from: vandermolen on July 27, 2019, 11:13:18 AMSorry, I was being a bit flippant. I don't think that will actually happen but I can see that our currant impasse may fuel the argument for a united Ireland as it will for an independent Scotland.
Quote from: Que on July 27, 2019, 11:46:28 AMI understand, and agree. It's a pity that many do not understand that the severing of close political and economic ties between nations by Brexit, will be a significant destabilising factor for the UK as a country, for Europe and ultimately for the balance of power in the world.Q
Quote from: vandermolen on July 27, 2019, 11:32:29 PMTotally agree.It's awful watching the lemming-like rush to the cliff edge. The only thing that gives me any hope is the election of the new Liberal leader who speaks a lot of sense I think.On a separate note I've now corrected the spelling of 'current' in my original post just in case anyone thought I was referring to a small dried fruit.
Quote from: Mandryka on July 26, 2019, 12:53:01 PMObviously not but there's something you're missing. Something very serious is happening in Britain: the people are starting to lose confidence in parliamentary democracy.
Quote from: Ken B on July 26, 2019, 01:57:47 PMYes. I would never have had a referendum were I PM, especially not one where I were unwilling to accept losing.
Quote from: Que on July 26, 2019, 03:06:40 PMI think we should keep in mind that over several decades of EU membership it is the UK which has used every opportunity to play hardball and push through its economic and geopolitical objectives within the EU, and also obtain significant special privileges.
QuoteCountries and alliances of countries look after their own interests first and foremost.
Quote from: Irons on July 28, 2019, 05:24:05 AMI know nothing of the new Liberal leader but she came out with a great line - "Johnson is like a Trump who has been to Eton".On a more serious note. If there is a General Election, which I think is inevitable, we all know where the Tories will stand. But what about Labour? I have not a clue but more worryingly I don't think they have either! Stay in, stay out or shake it all about.
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