Started by vandermolen, June 15, 2019, 04:21:09 AM
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Quote from: Christo on June 15, 2019, 05:48:25 AMIt's also fair to consider Churchill a disaster until 1940 - and then he had his finest hour (lasting for two years) which deserves him all posterior praise. Thus far Boris only succesfully copied the disaster.
Quote from: Florestan on June 15, 2019, 07:53:02 AM Hey, don't get me wrong, Boris Johnson would have been no match for Hitler. But can you really divorce Churchill's achievements and fame from his battle with Hitler? What would have Churchill achieved without the latter?No, honestly, Churchill got itto power with the specific purpose to oppose, and later defeat, Hitler. What's so strange in my naming the later guy?
Quote from: drogulus on June 15, 2019, 09:46:57 AM Churchill had the most extensive factual information on German rearmament, not German intelligence operations, and his political instincts about NAZI intentions were spot on. Churchill defended fortress Britain long enough for Stalin and Roosevelt to defeat Germany.
Quote from: vandermolen on June 15, 2019, 11:46:34 AMGood point I think.Thanks to everyone for contributions.
Quote from: vandermolen on June 15, 2019, 11:41:04 AMVery true Johan. He seems to have Churchill's bombast and arrogance without any of his genius.
Quote from: Que on June 15, 2019, 11:58:36 AM You didn't see those coming, did you? Anyway, since Johnson is able to sell anything to his electorate, some "on the continent" actually hope that he will trick the British in signing off on the withdrawal agreement (May's deal). Why on earth would he do that? To survive as PM, of course! He will come up with some bogus story about miraculous changes to the deal, and the EU will be willing to play along....It's either that scenario, or he will drag the UK out of the EU without any deal and all hell will break loose. ..Q
Quote from: Florestan on June 15, 2019, 12:01:56 PMSo what? His finest hour came afterward --- bombast and arrogance included.No, honestly, let's see:We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our [country], whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrenderSubstitute Hitler for Churchill --- what would have changed for the troops, the rank and files of the party(es), and the people, pray tell honestly?
Quote from: amw on June 16, 2019, 12:02:36 AMChurchill racked up a body count of approximately 3 million through engineering a genocidal famine in Bengal in the 1940s. I'm not sure Boris Johnson is yet in the same league; he's yet to genocide anyone.
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on June 23, 2019, 11:55:54 AMLove this bit from Outnumbered where a German exchange student thinks Boris is a professional comedian ("He plays the mayor of London, a very stupid politician, he's very stupid and funny") and the family can't convince him otherwise https://www.youtube.com/v/bQGVBglqKjYSarge
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on June 23, 2019, 12:05:26 PMAnd we have a buffoon playing President
Quote from: Herman on June 25, 2019, 09:44:47 AMMaybe it's not a good start to compare Johnson to Churchill. The number of Conservatives all over the world who like to pose as heirs to Churchill is virtually unlimited, and it usually betrays a longing for the late colonial era that is rather painful.It's odd how Johnson's move to the PM post has become inevitable. A man so buffoonishly incompetent...
Quote from: vandermolen on June 25, 2019, 11:06:38 AMYou're right, very worrying.
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