And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020

[Florestan]

I know nothing about Romanian poltiics. Does the Social-Democratic Party of Romania have a post-capitalistic philosophy? Usually social democracy operates withing capitalism, just a well regulated one to avoid the problems of crony capitalism.

Looks like worker's rights, unions, living wage etc. are not important issues to you.

Looks like you reply to posts just for the sake of replying, paying no attention whatever to their content. I explained the "philosophy" of the Social-Democratic Party of Romania in three words. Can you remember them without going back to my post?

[Florestan]

A mosque shooter.

A thoroughly racist mosque shooter who reacted against globalism...

But how is he an Australian export?

[greg]

Trump lets you bring your racism out into the open. Normalizes it and makes it acceptable.

What does "falling for the bait" mean? And what does "wouldn't take him seriously" mean?

Because doing something like bringing Pewdiepie into it is very telling of his motives.

The guy just wanted to ignite the fire. The most reactive is the sensationalist leftist media. It was the catalyst for all of the riots in the US the last few years, for example. And the media often attacks Pewdiepie for silly things because they need an enemy to write about, when he's obviously not some rightwing redneck.

I suspect that shooter was a homocidal nihilist more than anything.

[SimonNZ]

And how exactly is " the sensationalist leftist media" the "catalyst for all of the riots in the US the last few years"? Are you talking about the riots that follow white cops killing unarmed black people?

Also: I've not read any article anywhere attacking this "Pewdiepie" for anything, or showing any sign they're aware of his existence.

[71 dB]

Looks like you reply to posts just for the sake of replying, paying no attention whatever to their content. I explained the "philosophy" of the Social-Democratic Party of Romania in three words. Can you remember them without going back to my post?

If those three words are an accurate description of the Social-Democratic Party of Romania all I can say is oh boy does the politics suck in your country! 

[Florestan]

If those three words are an accurate description of the Social-Democratic Party of Romania

Trust me, they are very accurate. And I didn't even mention their animosity towards EU, which they present to their constituency as being a dictatorial and colonial foreign power.

all I can say is oh boy does the politics suck in your country! 

No. In my country it's the self-styled Social-Democratic politics that sucks --- actually, it stinks. Liberal (European style, not US) politics is neither worse nor better  than elsewhere.

[greg]

And how exactly is " the sensationalist leftist media" the "catalyst for all of the riots in the US the last few years"? Are you talking about the riots that follow white cops killing unarmed black people?

You're leaving out the fact that they just finished committing a crime, but yeah.

Police on black crime happens way less than black on black crime. So when the media reports it, people lose their minds. No one is rioting over gang violence.

Hate crime causes national outrage. Gang violence causes not much. Maybe some sadness in the local area.

The shooter knew that. Manipulate the media and manipulate the world. Easy.

Also: I've not read any article anywhere attacking this "Pewdiepie" for anything, or showing any sign they're aware of his existence.

Do you never use youtube? 

I don't understand people not knowing him. The most subscribed channel for years. Over 100 million subscribers.

And yes, it was a huge issue before. So he sometimes jokingly self-censors nowadays. Gotta walk on eggshells when the PC police are out.

[Florestan]

Greg, I must say it loud: my esteem for you has skyrocketed since you've made your appearance again. 

[greg]

Greg, I must say it loud: my esteem for you has skyrocketed since you've made your appearance again. 

Thanks lol.

Don't know why I'm posting on political threads, though. I freaking hate politics lol.

[SimonNZ]

You're leaving out the fact that they just finished committing a crime, but yeah.

Police on black crime happens way less than black on black crime. So when the media reports it, people lose their minds. No one is rioting over gang violence.

Hate crime causes national outrage. Gang violence causes not much. Maybe some sadness in the local area.

The shooter knew that. Manipulate the media and manipulate the world. Easy.



Do you never use youtube? 

I don't understand people not knowing him. The most subscribed channel for years. Over 100 million subscribers.

And yes, it was a huge issue before. So he sometimes jokingly self-censors nowadays. Gotta walk on eggshells when the PC police are out.

The outrage is because the police are in a position of trust, which they are betraying - like a corrupt politician, and this is not justice fitting any crime that may or may not have happened, and because it follows a lower level of harassment and racism from the police. And because its the continuation of a long history of injustice against blacks.

You won't be interested by I just finished and can recommend a very good book on this subject, told through interviews with victims families and grassroots level activists:




What are your main news sources on Youtube?

[Florestan]

The outrage is because the police are in a position of trust, which they are betraying - like a corrupt politician, and this is not justice fitting any crime that may or may not have happened, and because it follows a lower level of harassment and racism from the police. And because its the continuation of a long history of injustice against blacks.

Are you implying that the US police is a racist and white-suprematist institution? Are you implying that there is not a single one justified case of the US police shooting a black person? Are you implying that, because sometimes in the past the US police was indeed the instrument of racism, all of their present actions are racist?

[SimonNZ]

I didn't say or imply anything of the sort.

Lovely reductio ad absurdum, there.

[Madiel]

Are you implying that the US police is a racist and white-suprematist institution? Are you implying that there is not a single one justified case of the US police shooting a black person? Are you implying that, because sometimes in the past the US police was indeed the instrument of racism, all of their present actions are racist?

That's not how systemic issues work and it's silly to suggest that was the implication.

[Madiel]

But how is he an Australian export?

The murderer in Christchurch was Australian.

He's an idiotic arsehole who somehow thought that the way to react to too many Muslims being in the white homeland of Europe was to go kill some in New Zealand.

Which is typical of such arseholes, who despite professing belief in the natural home of races always somehow allow white folk to own Australia, New Zealand and North America.

[Florestan]

The murderer in Christchurch was Australian.

Ah, I didn't know that. Your post makes sense then.

He's an idiotic arsehole who somehow thought that the way to react to too many Muslims being in the white homeland of Europe was to go kill some in New Zealand.

Honestly, I do think there are too many (idle) Muslim immigrants in (Western) Europe. But you won't hear about Florestan's shooting people in a mosque.

Which is typical of such arseholes, who despite professing belief in the natural home of races always somehow allow white folk to own Australia, New Zealand and North America.

This is true, but then again, here's a question: where is someone with African descent going to feel nore free and to have more opportunities for climbing the social ladder: in the USA or in any country south of Sahara? Besides, need I remind you that taking and selling African slaves has been the regular business of Arabian and African warlords throughout the centuries? Or that slavery is right now when I'm typing this post a gruesoem reality in Africa?

[Madiel]

You just said that the way to deal with racism is to make it the victim's responsibility to avoid it.

I suggest you stop talking before you say something truly abhorrent.

[Florestan]

You just said that the way to deal with racism is to make it the victim's responsibility to avoid it.

I've consciously said or implied nothing of this sort, but if you could show me that the above proposition can be logically infered from what I said I will gladly stand corrected and disavow it.

I suggest you stop talking before you say something truly abhorrent.

You know me only too well. To the best of your knowledge have I ever said something truly abhorrent?

Besides, I reject any suggestion that I should stop talking. By all means, refute my points but please, never ever tell me I should stop talking --- that's what Communist censors told us.

[Madiel]

You've said Africans would be better off staying in Africa where they wouldn't have to face the issues they would face in America.

It's the people creating those issues that need to change their behaviour. Not the Africans who are experiencing them.

This is not any different to how girls and women are told they have to dress so as not to be a temptation to boys and men, instead of telling boys and men they need to learn how to control themselves.

Stop talking was explicitly a suggestion, not an order, so any mention of censorship is misconceived.

[Madiel]

As to whether there are too many immigrants in Europe, I fail to see why the religion of the immigrants is relevant.

People have the same basic infrastructure requirements, which IS a relevant issue when it comes to population, regardless of exactly where they came from.

And worrying that people might change a place because they're "different" ignores the way that places are always, always changing.

Some Europeans seem desperately keen to preserve a religion that doesn't actually come from Europe and kept picking up bits of existing local material as it spread over the continent.

[Florestan]

You've said Africans would be better off staying in Africa where they wouldn't have to face the issues they would face in America.

I don't know how you came to this conclusion but it's the exact opposite of what I said and implied.

I say and imply this: people of African descent are better off in the USA than in any African country their ancestors originated in. And this is actually incorrect since prior to the arrival of the Europeans, and many centuries after, there were no countries in Africa, just tribes constantly warring with each other, and constantly selling their war prisoners as slaves to the highest bider. Horrendous things which are still happening right now, this very moment.