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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2019, 06:35:29 PM »
Is there a cutoff date for announcing a candidacy or can it be done pretty much from the convention press room?

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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2019, 07:03:34 PM »
I think the filing deadlines vary state by state, and some of them have passed already, but candidates who file over the next year are probably banking on a brokered convention and therefore not needing to compete in any primaries.

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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2019, 12:20:36 AM »
A little humor during the primaries, why not?  Seen on Twitter... :D

Well, it's one of the humors. Yellow bile, I think.


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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2019, 01:47:51 AM »
The Descent of the Bern [my headline ~kh]

Since the Democratic presidential debate last week, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has fallen from 18 percent to 14 percent in the national CNN poll, stayed flat in the Morning Consult/Politico poll and dropped all the way to 9 percent in Iowa, a state in which he got 49.6 percent of the vote in the 2016 caucuses. He raised $18 million in the second quarter of 2019, $7 million less than the mayor of South Bend, Ind.

Sanders is delivering virtually the identical message, in virtually the identical cadence, from his 2016 campaign. It is fair to conclude that either voters are tired of it, craving change, or that an old white guy screaming about socialism isn’t a winner in today’s Democratic Party. Either way, I cannot think of a candidate in this field less willing than Sanders to adjust to changed circumstances. I find it improbable he will win, and frankly, I’d give that South Bend mayor, Pete Buttigieg, who’s still an unknown to most voters, a better chance of winding up in the top three or four candidates.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/03/sanders-likely-cant-turn-it-around-biden-can-heres-how/?utm_term=.553684536759

Washington Post hates Bernie so they come up with this nonsense to try destroy him. Washington Post is part of the establishment so they support pro-establishment candidates such as Pete Buttigieg who pretend to be progressives. Bernie Sanders has been consistent for decades because the problems have been the same for decades. Corporate media has NOTHING on Bernie of substance. Ironically Trump was partly right saying the media is the enemy of the people. Yes, if Washington Post is able to block real progressives to become presidents thet ARE the enemy of the people allowing the oligarchy reign. WP is vomit inducing. They should be ashamed of themselves. What they do is far from real journalism.
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« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2019, 05:35:54 AM »
I can only conclude from that that you've confused it with the Washington Examiner.

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« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2019, 05:51:09 AM »
The Washington Post has a sizeable stable of conservative opinion writers who have been wrong about everything since at least 2003, Jennifer Rubin being one of them (I believe she's associated in some capacity with the George W. Bush administration or maybe I'm confusing her with Ana Navarro), and who regularly churn out opinion pieces in support of various conservative policies, candidates, wars, genocides etc. It's true that they are generally hostile to Sanders (or realistically, anyone else to the left of Richard Nixon) but they do have one in-house Berniecrat in the form of Elizabeth Bruenig, which is more than can be said for e.g. the New York Times which keeps its opinion pieces within a narrower and more centrist band.

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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2019, 06:20:13 AM »
Washington Post hates Bernie so they come up with this nonsense to try destroy him. Washington Post is part of the establishment so they support pro-establishment candidates such as Pete Buttigieg who pretend to be progressives. Bernie Sanders has been consistent for decades because the problems have been the same for decades. Corporate media has NOTHING on Bernie of substance. Ironically Trump was partly right saying the media is the enemy of the people. Yes, if Washington Post is able to block real progressives to become presidents thet ARE the enemy of the people allowing the oligarchy reign. WP is vomit inducing. They should be ashamed of themselves. What they do is far from real journalism.

Are you an absolute ass? This was an opinion piece, not WaPo reportage, in the first place.

In the second, that descent in the polls is a fact, cited in the opinion piece.

So, yes, you and Trump agree that the press is "the enemy of the people," when it reports facts you don't like.
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« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2019, 06:54:44 AM »
I was certainly for Bernie four years ago, simply by the easy virtue of his being a less baggage-laden candidate than Clinton, and his being an adult. Anything on two legs, including my budgie is more mature and responsible than Trump.

But this go-round, Bernie is committing much the same "It's my turn now" floater, wherewith Clinton was content to delude herself.

He has overdrawn on his name-recognition capital.

Sure, I am content that he be part of the process this cycle. But he won't be President.
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« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2019, 12:15:13 PM »
Washington Post hates Bernie so they come up with this nonsense to try destroy him. Washington Post is part of the establishment so they support pro-establishment candidates such as Pete Buttigieg who pretend to be progressives. Bernie Sanders has been consistent for decades because the problems have been the same for decades. Corporate media has NOTHING on Bernie of substance. Ironically Trump was partly right saying the media is the enemy of the people. Yes, if Washington Post is able to block real progressives to become presidents thet ARE the enemy of the people allowing the oligarchy reign. WP is vomit inducing. They should be ashamed of themselves. What they do is far from real journalism.

Bernie was the only alternative Democrats had to Hillary in 2016. Had that not been the case, he would have been lost in the shuffle. Compared to most of the other candidates, he's not particularly progressive...a sign of how far the Democratic Party has shifted to the left. So why would Democratic voters go for him, especially as he calls himself a Democrat only in election years, and otherwise is satisfied with being an independent or a Socialist?

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« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2019, 12:56:02 PM »
Bernie was the only alternative Democrats had to Hillary in 2016. Had that not been the case, he would have been lost in the shuffle. Compared to most of the other candidates, he's not particularly progressive...a sign of how far the Democratic Party has shifted to the left. So why would Democratic voters go for him, especially as he calls himself a Democrat only in election years, and otherwise is satisfied with being an independent or a Socialist?

Perfectly on point.
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« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2019, 01:59:11 AM »
So, yes, you and Trump agree that the press is "the enemy of the people," when it reports facts you don't like.

This is not about facts. This is in what light do you present facts. They twist Bernie's consistency into "lack of new ideas" as if the problems were new and not the oligarchy that has reigned for decades. They are not interested of the facts. They are interested of keeping the oligarchy running because they themselves benefit from it.
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« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2019, 02:07:18 AM »
Bernie was the only alternative Democrats had to Hillary in 2016. Had that not been the case, he would have been lost in the shuffle. Compared to most of the other candidates, he's not particularly progressive...a sign of how far the Democratic Party has shifted to the left. So why would Democratic voters go for him, especially as he calls himself a Democrat only in election years, and otherwise is satisfied with being an independent or a Socialist?

This is wrong. He is the most progressive candicate. Tulsi Gabbard comes close. The other candidates say they are progressives, but are they? Even Trump campaigned as a progressive! Elizabeth Warren has tried to "compete" with Bernie as the most progressive, but...

Voters should go for Bernie, because he has been a progressive for decades. We know he won't backpedal like a fake-populist would when corporate money starts coming in. Bernie has an army of over million people to take the streets to demand progressive policies. That's why. He is the guy.
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« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2019, 03:30:15 AM »
Bernie has an army of over million people to take the streets to demand progressive policies.

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« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2019, 05:11:08 AM »

     Warren is the credible progressive in the contest. I wanted her to stay in the Senate where she could use her knowledge and considerable skill as an inquisitor to push a feeble minded centrist towards Dem policy goals. I don't necessarily like her versions best (she seems to want a rich tax to "raise revenue"), but that's a quibble in the larger context.
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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #36 on: July 09, 2019, 07:17:10 AM »
This is wrong. He is the most progressive candicate. Tulsi Gabbard comes close. The other candidates say they are progressives, but are they? Even Trump campaigned as a progressive! Elizabeth Warren has tried to "compete" with Bernie as the most progressive, but...

Voters should go for Bernie, because he has been a progressive for decades. We know he won't backpedal like a fake-populist would when corporate money starts coming in. Bernie has an army of over million people to take the streets to demand progressive policies. That's why. He is the guy.

He's not been a progressive for decades.
He has however been a Socialist for decades. And on social justice issues, where the momentum of American leftism, he is very much a Johnny come lately.
Trump, fyi, did not campaign as a progressive. If anything he campaigned as the antiprogressive.

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« Reply #37 on: July 09, 2019, 10:46:29 AM »
He's not been a progressive for decades.
He has however been a Socialist for decades. And on social justice issues, where the momentum of American leftism, he is very much a Johnny come lately.
Trump, fyi, did not campaign as a progressive. If anything he campaigned as the antiprogressive.

Jesus Christ are you clueless of the politics in your own country and a Finn has to educate you! Bernie Sanders is not a socialist! Has he proposed that Walmart should be owned by the workers of Walmart? NO!! HE HAS NOT!! He is a social democrat who unfortunately calls himself a democratic socialist (yes, he fucked up with the terminology and labels and now we progressives have to educate every fucking political ignoramus he is a social democrat). Social democrats believe in capitalism, but understand the need to regulation and the need of strong welfare  programs to avoid crony capitalism and extreme income inequaty. How are Bernies ideas making the US socialist when the same ideas haven't made other countries socialist? Did single payer healthcare make UK socialist? No, it made UK's healthcare system one of the best int he World. Did tuition free education in Finland make Finland a socialist country? No, it made Finland's education system one of the most admired in the World. So, which policies of Bernie Sanders are socialism? Sure, many of them have a socialist favor, sure that's what is needed, because 100 % pure capitalism leads to insane society were one family owns everything. In the US three richest people own more than the bottom 50 % of people? Are you suggesting these 3 people just worked harder than half of the population combined? Even Superman couldn't do that!

Trump campaigned as a populist (working people won't be forgotten, he brings jobs back, he gives better healthcare then Obamacare etc.) and looked the more progressive option compared to establisment queen Hillary.
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« Reply #38 on: July 09, 2019, 11:06:10 AM »
Not at all, buddy, not at all. Honestly,  if you are a typical product of the Finland's educational system then it is grossly overrated.

Liking Bernie Sanders makes me uneducated? How?
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« Reply #39 on: July 09, 2019, 11:14:23 AM »
If you don't like Bernie's "socialism" vote Biden as the president, the man who tells millionaires "don't worry, nothing will change."
That's how the Dems have been for decades. Nothing changed. Oligarchy continued and got worse until people got so desperate they voted for a reality tv clown. That happens when you don't change anything and keep licking the asses of your corporate overloards.

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