And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020

[JBS]

Ah...but are you recommending me a book you've read or a book a YT oracle has told you to recommend...hmm?



"I have been watching countless of YTchannels, many of them commenting on other channels."

my very first thought: "We play both kinds: Country and Western"

The Amazon page shows Kulinski recommends it. But so do Andrew Yang, Tulsi Gabbard, Tucker Carlson, and a national co-chair for Bernie. Yang at least struck me as a sensible person.

But I refuse to take anyone seriously who allows herself to be known as Krystall Ball.

[71 dB]

A corrupt arrogant woman lost. You are working under the delusion Hillary's policies were rejected by the voters. They were not. Hillary the person was rejected.

Corporate Dems tend to be corrupt (they take corporate money) and arrogant (they think they know better than the peasants).

The polls don't reflect two important things: first,  the number of people who will vote for Trump because Sanders is the Democratic nominee.  Second, the number of people who will turn away from Sanders once they realize how much of his agenda is devoted to imposing big government control over parts of their lives that up until now have either not been regulated or left to states and local governments. Medicare for All is the least objectionable thing on Bernie's agenda.  My only objection to it is that it wouldn't work the way Bernie and the Young Turks claim it would. His other programs make him verge on Communism, so reliant are they on the central government controlling everything.

Bernie has been attacked by now for YEARS! How is that working? Is he polling 1 % behind Gabbard? No, he is LEADING!!! WINNING!!. Corporates have NOTHING against him. Your "big government control" mumbo jumbo is laughable. As if cotporate control is any better! In some sense Bernie is small government guy, for example when it comes to abortion. Only idiots don't know the difference between communism and social democracy so as long and you call him a communist I call you an idiot.

[71 dB]

Apparently Americans here are confortable and can afford (for profit) healthcare, have paid their student loans off and don't struggle. Maybe the system is working for YOU. Great. You can affort a corporate president. However, A LOT OF americans CAN*T!!! They are screwed by the SYSTEM!!! Thet DIE!!! THEY Struggle!! That's why they SUPPORT Bernie!! They NEED him!! You need to accept this! Democracy! Deal with it!

[JBS]

Corporate Dems tend to be corrupt (they take corporate money) and arrogant (they think they know better than the peasants).

Bernie has been attacked by now for YEARS! How is that working? Is he polling 1 % behind Gabbard? No, he is LEADING!!! WINNING!!. Corporates have NOTHING against him. Your "big government control" mumbo jumbo is laughable. As if cotporate control is any better! In some sense Bernie is small government guy, for example when it comes to abortion. Only idiots don't know the difference between communism and social democracy so as long and you call him a communist I call you an idiot.

Kyle and the Young Turks think they know better than the rest of us. That's why they want to hand over control of everything to the government.  They are elitists: they want a centralized group of technocrats and bureaucrats making rules for everyone. If I want to get rid an elite, I don't want them.

Bernie would let everyone keep their property, so he's not an outright Communist. But his agenda is focused on government telling everyone what they can and can not do with their property.  Under Bernie government would not own the means of production, but it would have near total control, via the Green New Deal and other programs, over the means of production.

People aren't familiar with most of his ideas beyond health care. But they involve a vast expansion of control by the federal government over area that it does not control now. Bernie's housing program, for instance, would regulate the socio-ethnic makeup of neighborhoods, the number of people who live there, the price at which homes are bought and sold or rented for.  (Does the Finnish national government regulate housing in Finland to that degree?)Local governments do that now. Unlike Bernie appointed regulators, they have regular meetings at which the people directly impacted by their decisions can object, negotiate,  propose...and ultimately vote them out of office.  And corruption is endemic in real estate because of this, btw. It will just scale up if Bernie's idea is made law.

All the GOP has to do is point out repeatedly what Bernie's ideas involve. They won't need to fabricate anything, They will just need to cut and paste from his website. He won't be anywhere near as popular in November as you think he will be.

[SimonNZ]

Apparently Americans here are confortable and can afford (for profit) healthcare, have paid their student loans off and don't struggle. Maybe the system is working for YOU. Great. You can affort a corporate president. However, A LOT OF americans CAN*T!!! They are screwed by the SYSTEM!!! Thet DIE!!! THEY Struggle!! That's why they SUPPORT Bernie!! They NEED him!! You need to accept this! Democracy! Deal with it!

Do you think your 500th identical post on this issue is likely to be more persuasive than the 499th?

Maybe try a different tactic. Start by assuming people aren't all brainwashed idiots and go outside your YT bubble to find out why they like the candidates they do. Make an honest effort

[JBS]

Do you think your 500th identical post on this issue is likely to be more persuasive than the 499th?

Maybe try a different tactic. Start by assuming people aren't all brainwashed idiots and go outside your YT bubble to find out why they like the candidates they do. Make an honest effort

Or at least educate yourself on why many of those problems were, if not directly caused, greatly magnified by government programs whose aim was supposed to be to help regular folks.  The student loan program and resulting debt problem  is an excellent example of this.

Then you will understand why people might be skeptical of someone claiming the answer to the problem is an even bigger government program.

[71 dB]

Do you think your 500th identical post on this issue is likely to be more persuasive than the 499th?

Maybe try a different tactic. Start by assuming people aren't all brainwashed idiots and go outside your YT bubble to find out why they like the candidates they do. Make an honest effort

There is no YT bubble, because YT has everything from left to right, corporate to independent. Corporate media is a bubble. I do understand why people support who they support. Do you? Do you understand why Bernie has MASSIVE support? People are sick and tired of living in an oligarchic shithole where they don't even have healthcare! That's why. They want better lives, something like what people have in places like Denmark.

[JBS]

There is no YT bubble, because YT has everything from left to right, corporate to independent. Corporate media is a bubble. I do understand why people support who they support. Do you? Do you understand why Bernie has MASSIVE support? People are sick and tired of living in an oligarchic shithole where they don't even have healthcare! That's why. They want better lives, something like what people have in places like Denmark.

Perhaps you didn't notice but 85 percent of us do have health care...

[71 dB]

Perhaps you didn't notice but 85 percent of us do have health care...

In theory yes. How do you use your healthcare if your deductible is $6000 and you don't have such money because you live paycheck to paycheck as a lot of Americans do?

[SimonNZ]

There is no YT bubble, because YT has everything from left to right, corporate to independent. Corporate media is a bubble. I do understand why people support who they support. Do you? Do you understand why Bernie has MASSIVE support? People are sick and tired of living in an oligarchic shithole where they don't even have healthcare! That's why. They want better lives, something like what people have in places like Denmark.

Its clear that you don't. The YT bobbleheads offer everything from leftwing shallowness to rightwing shallowness. You need to dig deeper.

And even though I'm not American I'm insulted by your ignorant description of "shithole".

[Karl Henning]

Ah...but are you recommending me a book you've read or a book a YT oracle has told you to recommend...hmm?



"I have been watching countless of YTchannels, many of them commenting on other channels."

my very first thought: "We play both kinds: Country and Western"

He likes his feedback loop safe!

[JBS]

In theory yes. How do you use your healthcare if your deductible is $6000 and you don't have such money because you live paycheck to paycheck as a lot of Americans do?

Because if you are in normal health you go to the doctor for an annual physical, and if you think you are getting the flu. Also, for most Americans the $6000 deductible is not relevant because of employer provided health care.

You need to accept the fact that the Young Turks are presenting a distorted presentation of the facts aimed at persuading people they have the real solutions.  The Young Turks lie and distort just as much as anyone else in the media.  Meaning most of what you think you know is merely junk.

[Karl Henning]

There you have it, gentlemen: "There is no YT bubble" ....

[71 dB]

Because if you are in normal health you go to the doctor for an annual physical, and if you think you are getting the flu. Also, for most Americans the $6000 deductible is not relevant because of employer provided health care.

You need to accept the fact that the Young Turks are presenting a distorted presentation of the facts aimed at persuading people they have the real solutions.  The Young Turks lie and distort just as much as anyone else in the media.  Meaning most of what you think you know is merely junk.

Healthcare tied to employer means you are tied to your job and your employer has leverage over you.

Young Turks, Young Turks.... ...don't you understand it's a MOVEMENT with tons of people!

85 % of people having healthcare SUCKS!!!! It's PATHETIC!! especially for the richest country in the World it's ridiculous. 100 % is the correct number and other countries have that.

[71 dB]

There you have it, gentlemen: "There is no YT bubble" ....

So you think you are bubble-free? How?

You must admit Youtube is a cornucopia of opinions... ...I have seen..

[SimonNZ]

I've watched a bunch of YT vids and now I'm a world authority on Finnish politics. Not only do I understand it better than 71db, but better than any other Finn who may chance along. You're a senior lecturer at the University of Helsinki? Brainwashed corporatist!

Its perfectly obvious to me that the next Prime Minister of Finland should be Tom Of Finland and my next one thousand post will be praising his glorious name.

[JBS]

Healthcare tied to employer means you are tied to your job and your employer has leverage over you.

Young Turks, Young Turks.... ...don't you understand it's a MOVEMENT with tons of people!

85 % of people having healthcare SUCKS!!!! It's PATHETIC!! especially for the richest country in the World it's ridiculous. 100 % is the correct number and other countries have that.

Trump has an even bigger movement, you know.
As I said several times, Berniecare involves degrading the health care of the 85% who have it now.  That's not an acceptable trade off. 

[JBS]

I've watched a bunch of YT vids and now I'm a world authority on Finnish politics. Not only do I understand it better than 71db, but better than any other Finn who may chance along. You're a senior lecturer at the University of Helsinki? Brainwashed corporatist!

Its perfectly obvious to me that the next Prime Minister of Finland should be Tom Of Finland and my next one thousand post will be praising his glorious name.

Does he know who Tom of Finland was?

[Karl Henning]

Many commentators have argued that the big winner in Wednesday's poisonous Democratic Party debate was President Trump. But as the world assesses the United States in this 2020 election season, the long-term political beneficiaries may be foreign rivals such as China's President Xi Jinping.

The circular firing squad in Las Vegas probably raised expectations abroad that the Democrats won't unite behind a candidate with wide popular appeal who can beat Trump. People throughout Eastern Europe and Asia who have struggled to escape from socialism must find Sen. Bernie Sanders's enthusiasm for it — and the fact that the Vermont independent is leading the field — especially bizarre.

The Democrats' lack of interest in the world will also be noted. Foreign policy was barely mentioned in Las Vegas. As the candidates shouted at each other, they seemed unaware that voters would be judging them in part on their fitness to be commander in chief. Rather than discuss rational global climate policies, such as a carbon tax, they talked about putting U.S. energy executives in jail.

But the world moves on. If a sensible, moderate Democrat seems unlikely to emerge from the scrum, then U.S. allies and adversaries will prepare for the likelihood of four more years of the erratic, bullying, "America First" incumbent. Countries will hedge their bets, knowing that Trump's promises are unreliable. Even for the closest U.S. allies, friendship is not a suicide pact. They will adjust, accommodate and distance.

Don't they understand that BERNIE MUST WIN??!!

[71 dB]

Trump has an even bigger movement, you know.
As I said several times, Berniecare involves degrading the health care of the 85% who have it now.  That's not an acceptable trade off.

Well then Trump WINS!! We will see what happens. Time will tell! As of now polls tell Bernie has best changes against Trump.
You may not accept Bernie, but you don't select the president alone. Other people have their say. A lot of people want Bernie and he seems to win the nomination unless DNC robs the nomination from him like they did in 2016.