And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020

[Herman]

I have a crazy idea. Why not read a couple of newspapers online, as a source of info?

[SimonNZ]

I have a crazy idea. Why not read a couple of newspapers online, as a source of info?

*gasp!* corporate brainwashing!

[Herman]

*gasp!* corporate brainwashing!

yeah, totally

[71 dB]

I have a crazy idea. Why not read a couple of newspapers online, as a source of info?

Newspapers are often behind paywall because that's their profit model, but The YT channels I watch do comment on newspaper articles. The problems is not people not knowing corporate media opinions. The problem is people not knowing lefty opinions. Corporate media tries to hide the troublesome past of candidates like Bloomberg and Buttigieg while writing hit pieces against Bernie. Lefty Youtubers tell about the Bloomberg and Buttigieg things the corporate media is not willing to write about. Bloomberg owns the damn media!! Wake up americans!

[Karl Henning]

*gasp!* corporate brainwashing!

You know, that's just what Kyle said!

[Karl Henning]

Bernie Sanders briefed by U.S. officials that Russia is trying to help his presidential campaign

Since what the Russians want is more President Trump, they must figure, too, that Bernie is their preferred opponent.

[71 dB]

Bernie Sanders briefed by U.S. officials that Russia is trying to help his presidential campaign

Since what the Russians want is more President Trump, they must figure, too, that Bernie is their preferred opponent.

If that's the case then the Russians haven't seen Bernie vs Trump polls. 

[71 dB]

Nevada caucus volunteers asked to sign NDAs. Expect fuckery to harm Bernie. The US is such a Banana Republic! 

[drogulus]

Corporate media tries to hide the troublesome past of candidates like Bloomberg and Buttigieg while writing hit pieces against Bernie. Lefty Youtubers tell about the Bloomberg and Buttigieg things the corporate media is not willing to write about. Bloomberg owns the damn media!! Wake up americans!

     Where do you think the lefty YTers get their info about the troublesome past of these candidates? The same place I do.

     You are not as expert on what the major news sources write about as you think.

     The point is that if you are going on a fact hunt to supply your YT rantathon you go to sources that dispense facts. If you have to wade through noxious opinion/analysis, decide if the news quality and quantity is enough to make it worth the effort. The much hated mainstream media obviously is, since the entire downstream media depends on it, if not always for origination then for verification. Not everyone is aware of this in their ideas, but they are in their behavior, thus "It's even in the NY Times!".

     

     

     

[André]

Nevada caucus volunteers asked to sign NDAs. Expect fuckery to harm Bernie. The US is such a Banana Republic!

Yes it is. And there's a lot of monkeys eating off the banana farm. I'm quite sure you have a banana or two from time to time, Poju.  0:)

[Herman]

Newspapers are often behind paywall because that's their profit model, but The YT channels I watch do comment on newspaper articles. The problems is not people not knowing corporate media opinions. The problem is people not knowing lefty opinions. Corporate media tries to hide the troublesome past of candidates like Bloomberg and Buttigieg while writing hit pieces against Bernie. Lefty Youtubers tell about the Bloomberg and Buttigieg things the corporate media is not willing to write about. Bloomberg owns the damn media!! Wake up americans!

So, reading the NY Times, WaPo and the Guardian (and a Dutch daily or two) I can't recall having seen "hit pieces" against Mr. Bernie.

One does notice, first, the assumption Biden is going to drift to the top; there is the horse race thing with "Wow look at that Klobuchar!" Next week "Wow Warren!" But no hit pieces.

[71 dB]

So, reading the NY Times, WaPo and the Guardian (and a Dutch daily or two) I can't recall having seen "hit pieces" against Mr. Bernie.

One does notice, first, the assumption Biden is going to drift to the top; there is the horse race thing with "Wow look at that Klobuchar!" Next week "Wow Warren!" But no hit pieces.

Recently corporate media has been talking about "mean" Bernie Bros as a desperate attempt to stop Bernie's momentum. Another corporate talking point is that Bernie has a ceiling. They talk about how the other candidates together have got more votes than Bernie alone as if elections worked that way. They don't talk about how the second or third choice of many supporters of other candidates is Bernie: If Biden dropped out, a lot of his support would go to Bernie. That sounds strange as Biden and Bernie are ideologically far apart, but people are like that, other things than ideology matter, things such as name recognition. A lot of people have supported Biden because of the myth of his electability, but now that myth is breaking apart and Biden is struggling. Bernie might have a ceiling, but so have others and Bernie's ceiling is probably higher than the ceiling of other candidates. Trump has a ceiling too! Half of the country wouldn't vote for him. That's why talking about Bernie's ceiling is ridiculous.

[71 dB]

3 percent of Nevada precincts reporting:

Sanders 54.6%
Biden 17.8 %
Warren 9.6 %
Buttigieg 8.9 %
Steyer 7.6 %
Klobuchar 1.6 %

The final results are hardly that great for Bernie, but a strong start nevertheless! 

[Roy Bland]

Caucus

[drogulus]

 
     Less than 10%

     Sanders   6,048   29.3   %   
     Warren   1,575       18.7      
     Biden           2,707   17.3      
     Buttigieg   2,449   17.3      
     Klobuchar   1,068     9.3      

[Karl Henning]

Does this make you think of a certsin someone?:

I blame the internet, because I like to and because it's true. I mean that I blame the way it encourages people to choose their own information and curate their own reality, so that no official pronouncement competes with a pet theory. I blame a national epidemic of selfishness, too. It seems to me that fewer and fewer people are easily moved off their particular worries, their special wants. Any outcome that displeases them is ipso facto a bastardized one.

[Karl Henning]

Well, let Bernie enjoy the glory while he can:

It's not just that Bernie Sanders is a bumbling candidate full of laughable false promises who would spend four years ineptly getting nothing done while making nonstop excuses for his failures. It's not even that Bernie Sanders has spent the past month accepting ongoing help from the Kremlin by refusing to let the public know it was going on. It's that Bernie Sanders would lose to Donald Trump – and it wouldn't even be close.

Because Bernie Sanders has never faced any real competition or scrutiny in his Vermont races, and because the media gave Bernie a free pass in 2016 while playing him up as a feel-good story, he's never been properly vetted. If Bernie were the nominee, Trump and the GOP would immediately bust out every ugly detail from his thirty years of embarrassing political and personal history. They wouldn't even have to dig. The dirt on Bernie is all publicly documented and most of it is not in dispute. It's just that the media has never bothered to run with it. But once Trump starts talking about that dirt, the media will indeed run with it – and Bernie will be finished a week after he gets the nomination.

[SimonNZ]

Does this make you think of a certain someone?:

^I went looking for that on the strength of the quote, and the whole piece is well written:

Why Democrats Are Bound for Disaster

I don't know Frank Bruni, but I see he's written a book on George W.:

[Karl Henning]

^I went looking for that on the strength of the quote, and the whole piece is well written:

Why Democrats Are Bound for Disaster

I don't know Frank Bruni, but I see he's written a book on George W.:

Aye, a good piece.

[drogulus]

     Sanders is the best bumbling candidate I've ever seen. He nearly knocked off Ms. Inevitable in 2016. He's killing it in the caucuses and the only primary we've had so far. He's picking up minority support which was supposed to be his weakness. He beat back a credible progressive challenger and no moderate is close to him after tonight. How exactly is this bumbling? It it because everyone else is worse? How is bumbling measured?

     Trump will throw the same stuff against him I threw at him in an earlier post, that not only is he an archeo-socialist but from a more radical splinter group. Maybe exposing Sanders will have the same effect as exposing Trump. Maybe when people realize Sanders is serious about being a revolutionary people will recoil in horror. Or maybe in the Trump era that looks better than what we have.

     I have a plan. I will no longer underestimate Sanders. From now on handsome is as handsome does. Bumbling is what the other ones are doing, not the guy mopping the floor with them.

     Sanders will get done pretty much what the next Dem President will get done, a little more or a little less.