And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020

[JBS]

Beating Trump is something we all agree about. Good. Now, Dems should nominate a candidate against Trump that has the best changes beating him. The poll tell us Biden and Bernie are the strongest against Trump, but if you understand politics you see Biden will come down. His Corn Pop stories aren't a match to Bernies and Warrens progressive message. What is Biden offering? Record players? He is a corporate candidate telling what can't be done instead of offering a vision for the country like Bernie and Warren do. The cold fact is that Bernie is the strongest against Trump and would beat him easily. Corporate media tries to maintain the opposite narrative. Don't be a fool who believes that. Believe the facts.

The facts say thar Bernie is a quasi communist and would lose in a landslide.

How many times do I need to explain to you that you are relying on Bogus Information.
Kulinski is an advocate, not a reporter of actual facts.

[Karl Henning]

Gawd, but Poju is even more tiresome than Trump.  Anyone who disagrees with him is "brainwashed," no one who disagrees with him is "sane," disagreement with him in reason is "BS." How he must love life in his bubble!

[71 dB]

Gawd, but Poju is even more tiresome than Trump.  Anyone who disagrees with him is "brainwashed," no one who disagrees with him is "sane," disagreement with him in reason is "BS." How he must love life in his bubble!

Do you agree with what JBS says? IT IS NOT MY FAULT people here are so ignorant and brainwashed!! I try to educate and this is what I get?

Enjoy your life in the bubble where Bernie is a quasi communist and would lose to Trump in a landslide. I try to manage in the bubble where Bernie is a social democrat (supporter of regulated mixed economy of capitalist and socialism) and would WIN Trump in a landslide!

[SimonNZ]

How you define Sanders won't matter. There will be a relentless and deafening Red Scare campaign should he get the nomination. With every Fox host a McCarthy. Actual policy won't be mentioned outside of a reductio ad absurdum.

Does Kuliinski use the term "brainwashed" in his webcasts for those who disagree with him?

[Florestan]

Gawd, but Poju is even more tiresome than Trump.  Anyone who disagrees with him is "brainwashed," no one who disagrees with him is "sane," disagreement with him in reason is "BS." How he must love life in his bubble!

Indeed.

Guys (I mean, JBS and SimonNZ), please, stop feeding him. Stop replying to his posts. Arguing with him is a huge waste of time.

[71 dB]

How you define Sanders won't matter. There will be a relentless and deafening Red Scare campaign should he get the nomination. With e dry Fox host a McCarthy. Actual olicy won't be mentioned outside of a reductio ad absurdum.

Such campaign may only help Bernie when people see through the lies. Campaigns against Trump helped Trump.

Does Kuliinski use the term "brainwashed" in his webcasts for those who disagree with him?

I think he uses terms "uninformed/misinformed" for those who can theoretically be brought to "his" side with reason/logic and the term TFG (too far gone) for those who are lost cases. Kyle Kulinski (and David Pakman for that matter) has "converted" lots of right-wing conservatives into left-wing progressives, saved them from right-wing echo chambers. Kyle Kulinski encourages his fans (who he calls politically supereducated) to spread the word because most people just don't pay much attention to politics and simply don't know much and the corporate media won't educate people.

Kyle Kulinski is a man of intellectual honesty and is ok with someone having right-wing opinions IF that person is intellectually honest. If you claim to be a pro-life person, you can't be just against abortion! You have to be ALSO against death penalty, wars etc. If you are only against abortion, you are a pro-fetus-person, NOT a pro-life person. Kulinski can't stand people on the right OR left (social justice warriors etc.) who defend freedom of speech only when it's about their ideology, but oppose when it's not. If you aren't for freedom of speech of those who disagree with you, you aren't for freedom of speech at all.

Kyle Kulinski is happy to debate anyone and can beat almost anyone. He can justify his positions. Good luck justifying yours. He is number #1 advocate of Bernie Sanders, a fanboy to almost comical levels, but he has criticism for even Bernie on some issues (Bernie is against BDS Movement and discrimination of ALL drugs, the "Portugal model").

I use the term "brainwashed" because I don't have the patience in me to be more polite and I think it's a valid term to describe people's political positions in many cases.

[71 dB]

Indeed.

Guys (I mean, JBS and SimonNZ), please, stop feeding him. Stop replying to his posts. Arguing with him is a huge waste of time.

Great! You understood you can't attack me with facts and logic so you start labeling me a troll? Thank you sir, because the fewer replies I get to my post the less I need to waste MY time here. 

[Madiel]

That's not how we do things here in the US.

Noting that this is an argument of tradition, rather than principle or evidence that it's working.

I'm not particularly inclined to engage in the whole merits of one Democratic candidate over another (heck, there are number of Republican candidates I'd be happy with in comparison to the incumbent), but it does fascinate me that one of the chief criticisms of Bernie Sanders seems to be that he dares to look at policy options he got from other countries.

I mean, sometimes he gets his ideas from countries that consistently outperform the US on every global index of quality of life and general prosperity you can find. How dare he.

And this is the great price of American exceptionalism. Americans are exceptionally good at believing, despite evidence to the contrary, that they live in the best country in the world and could not possibly learn improvements from elsewhere.

[71 dB]

How many times do I need to explain to you that you are relying on Bogus Information.
Kulinski is an advocate, not a reporter of actual facts.

You seem to deny facts when they don't match your feelings. Kulinski doesn't use "made up" information. Open your eyes already. It's your beloved corporate medie who cherry-picks polls to create a narrative that Bernie is weaker than he is. Why is John Delaney polling at 1 % if even thay if right-wing politics is popular in the US? John Delaney is one of the most right-wing candidates in the race. If progressive ideas are so unpopular as you say how do you explain the fact that in the top 3 of current polls two are progressives? How is it that the only non-progressive in the top 3 is the one fading and losing support? Face the facts and chck how bogus YOUR information is.

[71 dB]

It does fascinate me that one of the chief criticisms of Bernie Sanders seems to be that he dares to look at policy options he got from other countries. I mean, sometimes he gets his ideas from countries that consistently outperform the US on every global index of quality of life and general prosperity you can find. How dare he. And this is the great price of American exceptionalism. Americans are exceptionally good at believing, despite evidence to the contrary, that they live in the best country in the world and could not possibly learn improvements from elsewhere.

You nail it here! Bravo!  0:)

[Madiel]

You nail it here! Bravo!  0:)

Thank you. But don't mistake this for a general endorsement of your positions. You cut off the part of what I said that was generally not in favour of your whole "let's tell you why Elizabeth Warren is bad" angle.

EDIT: And don't mistake me for an Elizabeth Warren supporter either. Getting down to that level of detail between candidates makes no sense to me because I'm not American and can't vote. I just would like the leader of a large and influential country to be someone who isn't insane, profoundly incompetent or both.

[Florestan]

the fewer replies I get to my post the less I need to waste MY time here. 

That's exactly the idea, to have you posting as little as possible here, ideally not at all.

[Karl Henning]

Indeed.

Guys (I mean, JBS and SimonNZ), please, stop feeding him. Stop replying to his posts. Arguing with him is a huge waste of time.

Can one argue with a cinder block?

[Karl Henning]

Noting that this is an argument of tradition, rather than principle or evidence that it's working.

Tradition and/or inertia. Even how to change it is a problem.

I'm not particularly inclined to engage in the whole merits of one Democratic candidate over another (heck, there are number of Republican candidates I'd be happy with in comparison to the incumbent), but it does fascinate me that one of the chief criticisms of Bernie Sanders seems to be that he dares to look at policy options he got from other countries.

Of course, neither JBS nor I object to that, per se; we're observing the state of the electorate.


And this is the great price of American exceptionalism. Americans are exceptionally good at believing, despite evidence to the contrary, that they live in the best country in the world and could not possibly learn improvements from elsewhere.
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Personally, I'm not mad about that Golden Calf, either

[71 dB]

Thank you. But don't mistake this for a general endorsement of your positions. You cut off the part of what I said that was generally not in favour of your whole "let's tell you why Elizabeth Warren is bad" angle.

EDIT: And don't mistake me for an Elizabeth Warren supporter either. Getting down to that level of detail between candidates makes no sense to me because I'm not American and can't vote. I just would like the leader of a large and influential country to be someone who isn't insane, profoundly incompetent or both.

Elizabeth Warren is not a "bad" candidate. Joe Biden is a bad candidate. She is the second best after Bernie. The point of the Kyle Kulinski video was to illustrate the differences between Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. They are not the same. Bernie Sanders is much more progressive than Elizabeth Warren. The point is that the US needs* huge structural changes, a political move toward "Nordic social democracy." Elizabeth Warren's progressiveness level may not be enough for that. The "best" is needed and that person happens to be Bernie Sanders. Elizabeth Warren has some great aspect to her (consumer protection agency, regulation on banks), but overall she is not on Bernie's level. We know Bernie is for medicare for all 1000 % while Elizabeth Warren is kind of wishy washy and talking about "access" which is corporate weasel word so she is something like 80 % for medicare for all which is not enough when you need to fight the insane Republicans wanting to repeal Obamacare and return to the most brutal free market healthcare where healthcare is a priviledge of the rich. You need that 1000 % dedication!!

* sadly four decades of oligarchy has led to a situation where Trump is the President. People are that desperate for change. They are willing to vote for anyone who looks an outsider of the Washington elite establishment. Trump might be a moron, but he is very talented in "reading the room" and he saw the US has moved to the age of political populism and took advantage of it. The antidote for Trump-type presidents is left-wing populism, progressive politics that improves people lives.

[71 dB]

That's exactly the idea, to have you posting as little as possible here, ideally not at all.

Seems like my posts triggers some right wing snowflakes in search of a 71 dB-free safespace around here. Your post do make me angry, but it's about frustration of seeing ignorance of brainwashed people. I have no need to shut you up. Keep posting all you want. I am not scared. The facts are on my side. The best you have to offer to attack my claims are some extreme anecdotes about how horrible healthcare is in the UK as if a few anecdotes told us how healthcare system functions overall. We have horror stories in every country, but elsewhere these are anecdotes whereas in the US these horror stories is everyday life rather than anecdotes. Since you can't open your eyes to this reality, I have no option but to call you a person brainwashed by corporate media. Sorry.

[Florestan]

Seems like my posts triggers some right wing snowflakes in search of a 71 dB-free safespace around here. Your post do make me angry, but it's about frustration of seeing ignorance of brainwashed people. I have no need to shut you up. Keep posting all you want. I am not scared. The facts are on my side. The best you have to offer to attack my claims are some extreme anecdotes about how horrible healthcare is in the UK as if a few anecdotes told us how healthcare system functions overall. We have horror stories in every country, but elsewhere these are anecdotes whereas in the US these horror stories is everyday life rather than anecdotes. Since you can't open your eyes to this reality, I have no option but to call you a person brainwashed by corporate media. Sorry.

You confuse me for someone else. I don't live in the UK. I'm not even British.

[71 dB]

You confuse me for someone else. I don't live in the UK. I'm not even British.

Nor are you American, but you still have strong opinions about American politics. Someone here justified opposing medicare for all telling some anecdotal horror stories of UK healthcare system (often ranked the best in the World). Sorry if it was someone else (JBS?)

[Florestan]

Nor are you American, but you still have strong opinions about American politics.

No, I don't. The only non-American here with strong opinions about American politics is you.

[71 dB]

No, I don't. The only non-American here with strong opinions about American politics is you.

Maybe. I feel many Americans here are clueless compared to me which is rather surprising for me. I think schnittkease one of the only ones demostrating the same level of understanding of the political system in the US as I do.

Mind you, three years ago I didn't know who Bernie Sanders is and I though Hillary will win Trump. I had no clue the Dems are almost as corrupt as the Republicans. I was the clueless one. Then Trump won and I was shocked and wanted to understand why. I found independent sources of information which helped me to understand what had happened and in the process I got hooked to US politics and learned a lot about the problems in the US society. I was surprised to learn for example that Americans are actually pretty left-leaning in economic issues as the common mantra in Europe is that Americans are just more right-wing, but that's not true. Americans are more right wing in social issues maybe, more religious and conservative ("family values"), but opposing abortion or gay marriage doesn't mean you want to lose everything you own just because you got sick one day.