And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020

[Muzio]

Nice of you by the way to adopt the President's insulting nickname.

The lying thing has only herself to blame. 

From HuffPo
"Elizabeth Warren, the Massachusetts senator and potential 2020 Democratic presidential contender, identified her race as "American Indian" on her 1986 State Bar of Texas registration card to practice law in the state, The Washington Post reported Tuesday.  The card, filled out in blue ink and dated April 1986, is the first reported document to show Warren declaring herself American Indian in her own handwriting."
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Laura M. Padilla, Intersectionality and Positionality: Situating Women on Color in the Affirmative Action Dialogue, 66 Fordham L. Rev. 843 (1997).

[SimonNZ]

In you mind... how do you weigh that against Trump's ceaselessly growing mountain of blatant falsehoods?

also: what else have you got on Warren? Do you have an example no.2? Is there a pattern?

[Muzio]

In you mind... how do you weigh that against Trump's ceaselessly growing mountain of blatant falsehoods?

also: what else have you got on Warren? Do you have an example no.2? Is there a pattern?

Well, she started living the "big lie" when she only 37.  There is a lot to unpack with that kind lie -- with all its insidious implications, and it will be exploited ad naseum if she is the dem nominee.

What about her leadership skills?  Tulsi Gabbard was interviewed on hill.tv today and pronounced that she is no fan of impeachment ("Gabbard decries calls for impeachment" was the headline).  Also this:

Question to Gabbard: "Do you believe that [Elizabeth Warren] is prepared to be commander-in-chief?"

Tulsi Gabbard: "I haven't seen much come from her in the way of what kind of leadership and decision making that she would bring ... as a soldier and an American that is very concerning"

BTW, Tulsi Gabbard will take part in the next dem debate after being excluded from the last one.

[Madiel]

The lying thing has only herself to blame. 

I'm not going to debate the facts with you because my whole fucking point is that the facts won't justify the fucking nickname.

Get it? Even if what you just posted about what Warren said and when is true, that's not the issue. The issue is why, as a fan of a man who I choose to call Trump rather than, say, Incompetent Orange Slimeball, you think it's okay to call Warren something other than Warren.

This is not the schoolyard, and it's about time both you and the President of the United States behaved accordingly.

[SimonNZ]

Well, she started living the "big lie" when she only 37.  There is a lot to unpack with that kind lie -- with all its insidious implications, and it will be exploited ad naseum if she is the dem nominee.

What about her leadership skills?  Tulsi Gabbard was interviewed on hill.tv today and pronounced that she is no fan of impeachment ("Gabbard decries calls for impeachment" was the headline).  Also this:

Question to Gabbard: "Do you believe that [Elizabeth Warren] is prepared to be commander-in-chief?"

Tulsi Gabbard: "I haven't seen much come from her in the way of what kind of leadership and decision making that she would bring ... as a soldier and an American that is very concerning"

BTW, Tulsi Gabbard will take part in the next dem debate after being excluded from the last one.

You ducked the question. If you're so offended by Warren's one "lie" then why not by Trump's tens of thousands?

[Muzio]

You ducked the question. If you're so offended by Warren's one "lie" then why not by Trump's tens of thousands?

I did not "duck" your question.  I said leadership -- and I presented the fact that at least one other dem candidate sees the same deficit in Warren.

And why did you put quotes around the word "lie" -- you don't believe that Warren flat-out lied and has lived the last half of her life in borrowed robes?

And these ten thousand lies that Trump has told.    Please offer a couple of his largest lies that you can prove are lies.  (After all, I can prove Warren lied big time.)

[SimonNZ]

I did not "duck" your question.  I said leadership -- and I presented the fact that at least one other dem candidate sees the same deficit in Warren.

And why did you put quotes around the word "lie" -- you don't believe that Warren flat-out lied and has lived the last half of her life in borrowed robes?

And these ten thousand lies that Trump has told.    Please offer a couple of his largest lies that you can prove are lies.  (After all, I can prove Warren lied big time.)

Warren believed her family story, took a DNA test by choice, was honest about the result and apologised. Instead of endlessly doubling down the way Trump does.

I can't believe you really require examples of his lies. Unless you live in a Fox bubble. You needn't eyeroll at my saying tens of thousands. That's no hyperbole. It's even lowballing. And you know...it would be one thing if you were saying "he's a lying sack of shit, but he's MY lying sack of shit" but to say you're unaware of his lying...its like you spent the last three years (or decades) in a coma.

Or you're just trolling me.

And I'd have to ask what leadership skills you see in the revolving door circus that is now the white house and in all his failed businesses and bankruptcies, along with his inability to understand the complexities of the job and his lack of desire to learn, and to choose "loyalists" over people of skill and experience. Unless you think "leadership" is synonymous with hubris and arrogance, in which case, no, Warren doesn't have it. (Amusing that a rival she's leading criticised her lack of leadership)

[Muzio]

Warren believed her family story, took a DNA test by choice, was honest about the result and apologised. Instead of endlessly doubling down the way Trump does.

I can't believe you really require examples of his lies. Unless you live in a Fox bubble. You needn't eyeroll at my saying tens of thousands. That's no hyperbole. It's even lowballing. And you know...it would be one thing if you were saying "he's a lying sack of shit, but he's MY lying sack of shit" but to say you're unaware of his lying...its like you spent the last three years (or decades) in a coma.

Or you're just trolling me.

And I'd have to ask what leadership skills you see in the revolving door circus that is now the white house and in all his failed businesses and bankruptcies, along with his inability to understand the complexities of the job and his lack of desire to learn, and to choose "loyalists" over people of skill and experience. Unless you think "leadership" is synonymous with hubris and arrogance, in which case, no, Warren doesn't have it. (Amusing that a rival she's leading criticised her lack of leadership)

This is suppose to be a thread about dem 2020 contenders, not another Trump-bashing free-for-all.  But c'mon, bub...just a few of the biggest whoppers from President Trump...that you can prove to be lies.  I'm not going to engage in a tit-for-tat insult trade with you.  You made the charge that Trump is a hardcore serial liar, now back it up with some, in your words, readily available examples.   

TD...
Another potential dem candidate?  Well, a lot of people have suggested all along that Hillary will be the "compromise" choice and will run again against Trump.  Michael M. Grynbaum, a media correspondent for The New York Times, noted in an ominous (I thought) tweet, "Hillary Clinton is doing CBS Sunday Morning, Stephen Colbert, and The View over the next week..." 

And don't forget what I said about Gabbard several pages ago.  She is the most interesting one to watch right now.  In dem circles, she is the voice of rationality and reason that is badly needed to counter The Squad's socialist extremism.  I admit, I'm a tiny bit concerned about a Gabbard vs. Trump run.  I'll be a little relieved when she drops out, fingers crossed.   

[Karl Henning]

Yes, he's just a troll, my advice is to stop feeding him.

[Muzio]

(Bloomberg) -- Elizabeth Warren used her first rally as a front-runner in the Democratic presidential race to assure a crowd in a small New Hampshire town that her brand of progressive politics made her the most viable candidate.

There's a whole bunch of core issues, like raising the minimum wage, and giving unions more power, and more regulations over financial institutions, and canceling student loan debt, and a wealth tax, that the majority of Americans — not just the majority of Democrats, the majority of Americans — are on board," Warren said in Keene on Wednesday.  Polls this week showed her leading in the Granite State as well as Iowa and California, and one survey found her narrowly displacing Joe Biden at the head of the Democratic pack nationally.
(...)
Her rise could also expose her to attacks from rivals that she has largely avoided. She used the event at Keene State College to counter questions about her viability in a general election, a concern that nags many Democrats, who worry that she would be carved up by President Donald Trump.
(...)
"She's the person that Trump would like for an opponent," said Greg Griffin of Anamosa, Iowa, who attended an event for Pete Buttigieg in that state this week. "He'll jump all over her."

ARTICLE HERE: https://news.yahoo.com/warren-highlights-electability-democratic-front-004458975.html

[Muzio]

Yes, he's just a troll, my advice is to stop feeding him.

Thanks, Karl, you good thing you.  As always, derivative and glib.

[Madiel]

Thanks, Karl, you good thing you.  As always, derivative and glib.

Says the person who adopts Trump's insulting nicknames and who uses a smiley to justify it. Do you really think you're in a position to describe others as derivative and glib? Those are exactly the adjectives you should be staying the hell away from.

[Muzio]

@Mandiel, your wise counsel is always appreciated, but I'd like to help keep this thread about the 2020 dem contenders for the nomination.

Elizabeth Warren Doesn't Know If Biden's Corruption Would Violate Her Ethics Plan

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) appeared flustered Wednesday when asked whether her ethics proposal unveiled this month would prohibit her vice president's son from serving on the board of a foreign company, as was the case under President Barack Obama.

"Could you say whether or not, under a Warren administration, would your vice president's child be allowed to serve on the board of a foreign company?" asked a reporter following the Massachusetts senator's speech at a New Hampshire rally.

"No," Warren initially answered. Then she backtracked. "I don't know. I mean I'd have to go back and look at the details."

Some speculate that she back-peddled because her initial "no" could have been seen as a criticism of opponent Joe Biden and his current problems.

Article here: https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/26/elizabeth-warren-doesnt-know-if-bidens-corruption-would-violate-her-ethics-plan/

[Muzio]

Well, I'll be...Tulsi Gabbard now supports the dem impeachment "inquiry."  Can't make this stuff up.

"Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, who is running for the Democratic presidential nomination, has changed course on her opinion of the impeachment inquiry of President Donald Trump.

Up until Friday, Gabbard was one of the few House Democrats to oppose her caucus' move to begin a formal impeachment inquiry, sparked by a whistleblower complaint against the president regarding his interactions with Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky.

In a statement, Gabbard said that she has changed her mind after reviewing the latest developments in the Ukraine story, including the release of a summary of the phone call Trump had with Zelensky and the declassified whistleblower complaint."

SMH...thought she was going to be different...Oh, foolish me...

Edit: the side panel of my browser:

[Muzio]

Reviewing Hunter Biden's resume...

[Madiel]

Folks, there are times when I really appreciate this forum's block function.

[Karl Henning]

Folks, there are times when I really appreciate this forum's block function.

I Feel ya

[drogulus]

Reviewing Hunter Biden's resume...

     I agree with the cartoon point. Hunter apparently broke no Uke law, and what he did would be legal here, too. Sometimes what is legal is as bad as what isn't.

     I think what matters is if his dad interfered with an investigation into his activities, which is the charge Trump is making. He didn't, because the investigation into the gas company concerned events that supposedly occurred before Hunter Biden joined the board. That investigation was later closed.

     Trump wants to reopen an investigation into the Bidens, but there was none. The facts make it clear the Ukes have nothing to work with. When they ask for info upon which such an investigation might be based, which they have done, they get nothing. What are they supposed to do? The reform government is far less corrupt than Trump and his minions.

[JBS]

On the Bernie front
https://www.apnews.com/eab21e66d7734867b8620fe9efaeb8a2

[SimonNZ]

You Know What Liz Warren Was Missing? SEXY. Thanks Jacob Wohl And The Other One!

"Rightwing conspira-fraudsters Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman held a great big press conference today in a ludicrous attempt to smear Elizabeth Warren, and it was very, very entertaining. There were two big surprises: 1) Warren's alleged rental boy-toy, an absolutely legitimate "former Marine sex worker," actually showed up for the event, and B) Burkman's little dachshund, Jack Jr., wasn't audible, at least not in the Periscope video stream I watched.

The allegations of a months-long series of kinky rentboy sexual encounters from the supposed Marine, one "Kelvin Whelly," didn't so much elicit gasps as guffaws, because nobody's stupid enough to take Wohl and Burkman seriously anymore. Nope, not even Wohl's former employer, the Stupidest Man on the Internet, bothered to give it the time of day."

Whelly said he had been hired by Warren through an online escort service, and that she flew him out to Massachusetts for the first time in August, 2018. In the very best Penthouse Forum prose, Whelly asserts that before their rendezvous at the Hilton in Woburn, he was a little nervous, because "I had spent time with older women before, but never a woman older than 60."

And oh, my, he assets that Warren was an absolute maniac, who "wanted not just rough sex but extensive BDSM play." Uh huh. And we bet she asked him to dress up like Jamie Dimon so she could spank him with a copy of the Sherman Antitrust Act, too.

Whelly purports to have been "shocked" by just how violent Warren liked to do sex, and that while he generally doesn't ask his clients if they're married, this time he just happened to, and Warren casually revealed the SHOCKING TRUTH. Here is the very realistic dialogue she said to him:

"Yes, I am married My husband and I are in an open relationship [...] In my line of work, this is a fairly common arrangement. You wouldn't believe how many studs like you show up to the Congressional retreats."
Look, if you wanted to make it really sound like Elizabeth Warren, you could have at least had her say something about taxing Wall Street -- sinfully.

Poor Whelly couldn't even keep a straight face when he got to the bit about Warren supposedly having a lesbionic threesome with him and a young lady friend of his, "using a lime green strap-on dildo" new from the box.

Also, for some reason, they want us to think Warren confessed to having a secret illegitimate daughter named "Lisa," born after a one-night stand 37 years ago. Because hoor.

It was pathetic. Wohl and Burkman had the dude take off his shirt to show the supposed scars from Warren's whippings with a cat o' nine tails, although that fell apart pretty quickly -- someone immediately found old Instagram photos of the welts, which he said he'd gotten when he was hit by a chain while disassembling an old swing. Or an old swinger, amIright?

Wohl, the original lime green strap-on dildo, also took pains to explain why he was bringing all this forward: "We all know women are more hormonal than men," and he just wanted to save America the grief that would come from electing Warren and then having a "hormonally unstable" sex fiend in the White House. Because he cares. Also, NORMAL women take their husbands' last name when they get married, so Warren is an abnormal sex fiend, QED.

Another Update: How could I forget this? At one point, a heckler asked Wohl if he was on psychiatric medication. Swear to god, he invoked HIPAA and said his medical records were private.

Warren seems not to recognize her political career is over, oddly enough."