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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #760 on: October 09, 2019, 05:20:28 AM »
Sorry, I have a private well.  My fluoride is in my toothpaste.



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« Reply #761 on: October 10, 2019, 01:26:48 AM »
     I have distilled water in my bomb shelter. I'm not the least bit sorry.

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« Reply #762 on: October 10, 2019, 04:48:12 AM »

     If I support a candidate that wants to change things a little more than average, a critical interpretation of my position could include my supposed lack of realism about what could be accomplished by a leftish President. The assumption must be that a realist would be someone who supported a candidate guaranteeing that little would be attempted. That seems to me like fatalism more than realism.

     A more sophisticated form of realism would include all the factors. In order to achieve something you try to achieve more than something. How things work is how things have worked. Where did Social Security come from, eh? Was it a Martian virus? Did nobody want it into existence? Was it unrealistic?
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« Reply #763 on: October 10, 2019, 01:54:44 PM »
Bernie Sanders to scale back campaign schedule in the wake of heart attack

It's CNN, so it's fake news.

Actually:

CNN Caught Doctoring Photos & Video Of Bernie Sanders.

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« Reply #764 on: October 10, 2019, 04:06:31 PM »
There are probably other, and better, Sanders spokespeople you can be following and quoting.

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« Reply #765 on: October 10, 2019, 04:27:44 PM »
That's not what the CNN article above does. Its not even what the title says.


If Sanders gets the nomination the Trump people will now be saying "heart attack" a thousand times a day. And, frankly, battling whatever smear campaigns they have waiting for him would have to be stress enough to strain even the healthiest person.

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« Reply #766 on: October 11, 2019, 03:36:17 AM »
That's not what the CNN article above does. Its not even what the title says.


If Sanders gets the nomination the Trump people will now be saying "heart attack" a thousand times a day. And, frankly, battling whatever smear campaigns they have waiting for him would have to be stress enough to strain even the healthiest person.

Would be quite ironic if one heart attack prevented the US finally join the rest of the developped World and give all people healthcare as a human right.

Clearly you don't believe in Bernie, but I do, because I know he is a fighter and thanks to this operation feeling now better than for years (so that CNN manipulates video and pictures of him to make him look worse) and I also understand how important it is to have this man as the next president of the USA.
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« Reply #767 on: October 11, 2019, 07:45:18 AM »


     There is not enough "believe in" in the solar system to make Bernie President. He has an outside chance if Trump implodes and the front runner Dems all grow horns, not just little bumps like they probably have now.
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« Reply #768 on: October 11, 2019, 08:18:41 AM »

     There is not enough "believe in" in the solar system to make Bernie President.

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« Reply #769 on: October 11, 2019, 12:23:41 PM »

     There is not enough "believe in" in the solar system to make Bernie President. He has an outside chance if Trump implodes and the front runner Dems all grow horns, not just little bumps like they probably have now.

So in your opinion Bernie collecting more money than anybody else in Q3 and having more individual donors (1.4 million) than others and polling at third of the democratic candidates and having one of the highest vs Trump polling means nothing? You believe what you want, but the facts don't care about your feelings.
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« Reply #770 on: October 11, 2019, 04:32:51 PM »
So in your opinion Bernie collecting more money than anybody else in Q3 and having more individual donors (1.4 million) than others and polling at third of the democratic candidates and having one of the highest vs Trump polling means nothing? You believe what you want, but the facts don't care about your feelings.

It's not the people who will vote for Bernie that are important. It's the people who won't vote for him.

I have said this before. Any candidate you think is good on policy will lose to Trump because of their policies.Trump is closer to the center of American policies than any current Democrat.  It's an unfortunate fact, but it's a fact.

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« Reply #771 on: October 11, 2019, 04:39:52 PM »
So in your opinion Bernie collecting more money than anybody else in Q3 and having more individual donors (1.4 million) than others and polling at third of the democratic candidates and having one of the highest vs Trump polling means nothing? You believe what you want, but the facts don't care about your feelings.

     I'm not good at believing stuff and having feelings like that. Something is always getting in the way.
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« Reply #772 on: October 11, 2019, 05:37:22 PM »
For benefit of 71db, the problems with Medicare for All he won't hear from Kyle & Co.
https://reason.com/2019/10/09/why-the-failure-of-vermonts-single-payer-plan-is-the-best-argument-against-medicare-for-all/

As I said before, don't expect the majority of the American public to support a program that will result in worse health care for the majority of the American public.

The "corporate oligarchy proposals" at least focus on the most immediate problem: getting health insurance to people who can't get it now.

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« Reply #773 on: October 11, 2019, 07:07:21 PM »
It's not the people who will vote for Bernie that are important. It's the people who won't vote for him.

I have said this before. Any candidate you think is good on policy will lose to Trump because of their policies.Trump is closer to the center of American policies than any current Democrat.  It's an unfortunate fact, but it's a fact.

That's based on your gut feel, and not fact. Look at polling on nearly any issue, and you'll find the opposite result.

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« Reply #774 on: October 12, 2019, 03:08:20 AM »
It's not the people who will vote for Bernie that are important. It's the people who won't vote for him.

I have said this before. Any candidate you think is good on policy will lose to Trump because of their policies.Trump is closer to the center of American policies than any current Democrat.  It's an unfortunate fact, but it's a fact.

Bernie's challenge is getting the democratic nomination. Elizabeth Warren is leading and attracts a lot of left-leaning people and people don't know well enough there is significant differences between the two. Beating Trump is easy for Bernie. Trump is very far from Americans. Last time he was able to fool people with his fake economical populism, but is he able to fool again those truck drivers his policies have hurt? Or those millions of people who have lost their healtcare under Trump?
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« Reply #775 on: October 12, 2019, 03:13:06 AM »
For benefit of 71db, the problems with Medicare for All he won't hear from Kyle & Co.
https://reason.com/2019/10/09/why-the-failure-of-vermonts-single-payer-plan-is-the-best-argument-against-medicare-for-all/

As I said before, don't expect the majority of the American public to support a program that will result in worse health care for the majority of the American public.

The "corporate oligarchy proposals" at least focus on the most immediate problem: getting health insurance to people who can't get it now.

I don't know the details of Vermont single payer, but the article is a clear hit piece against medicare for all in order to protect the financial interests of Big Pharma and insurance companies. I assume the problems in Vermont are about duplicate care, in other words private insurers cherry pick good customers and leave bad customers to single payer, but as I said I don't know the details.
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« Reply #776 on: October 12, 2019, 04:47:09 AM »
I have said this before. Any candidate you think is good on policy will lose to Trump because of their policies.Trump is closer to the center of American policies than any current Democrat.  It's an unfortunate fact, but it's a fact.

Very, very true!  It is not even close.  Hence, "muh Russia" and now "muh impeachment."

Of course, I think that it is a fortunate fact.



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« Reply #777 on: October 12, 2019, 06:33:32 AM »
Very, very true!  It is not even close.  Hence, "muh Russia" and now "muh impeachment."

Of course, I think that it is a fortunate fact.




     Impeachment is driven by different priorities than electioneering, though in some minds they overlap. In most minds they conflict. I'm probably in the majority when I say that impeachment is mandatory but might be unhelpful electorally. The mandatory is in plain sight, the possible election effects unknown.

     There is the possibility that impeachment would damage Trump with his own voter base. There's some indication in polling that a growing but still small percentage of Trumpists are "pre-voting" against Trump by supporting impeachment. One should ask what a 2-3% decline in the Trump vote would mean in swing states.

     What's the likelihood of a sympathy/backlash vote for Trump? How many undecided would rush to his banner because Dems treated him very unfairly?

     Most Americans didn't like TrumPutin 2016 and seeing it confirmed by TrumPutin 2020 exposing the links to a continuous effort to rig U.S. elections, they have had enough. But they have had enough with or without impeachment, which will end up being a trial of the Congress and the courts as much as it will the Evil and Insane One.
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« Reply #778 on: October 12, 2019, 07:23:57 AM »
Bernie's challenge is getting the democratic nomination. Elizabeth Warren is leading and attracts a lot of left-leaning people and people don't know well enough there is significant differences between the two. Beating Trump is easy for Bernie. Trump is very far from Americans. Last time he was able to fool people with his fake economical populism, but is he able to fool again those truck drivers his policies have hurt? Or those millions of people who have lost their healtcare under Trump?

     Let me try to have an opinion and feelings, see how it goes:

     

 

     
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« Reply #779 on: October 12, 2019, 09:57:56 AM »
Bernie's challenge is getting the democratic nomination. Elizabeth Warren is leading and attracts a lot of left-leaning people and people don't know well enough there is significant differences between the two. Beating Trump is easy for Bernie. Trump is very far from Americans. Last time he was able to fool people with his fake economical populism, but is he able to fool again those truck drivers his policies have hurt? Or those millions of people who have lost their healtcare under Trump?

What if you are mistaken, and Warren is a superior nominee to Bernie?
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