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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #760 on: October 08, 2019, 09:27:47 AM »
Personally, I vote in every election. Usually I am moderately interested in politics and policies. When the events accelerate I am massively interested in them. All I say is that I can very well see where cynics and indifferents are coming from.

     Yes, the "coming from" isn't mysterious at all. The mask of cynicism and indifference slips easily.
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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #761 on: October 08, 2019, 11:09:11 AM »
Personally, I vote in every election. Usually I am moderately interested in politics and policies. When the events accelerate I am massively interested in them. All I say is that I can very well see where cynics and indifferents are coming from.

And then there are the onanist cynics who exult in a president who flouts the Law.
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« Reply #762 on: October 08, 2019, 11:57:21 AM »

     People who have a healthy emotional response to events don't pretend they don't matter. It's healthy to panic and virtue signal, within reason.

     It's good to want to promote values, even your own.

     I depart somewhat from my philosophical semi-hero A. J. Ayer who said that values propositions are like the barking of dogs. I think it's more like the barking of an intelligent dog aware of its own reasons.
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« Reply #763 on: October 08, 2019, 03:19:04 PM »
In the US, as you know, politician #1 -- the President -- is selected through the electoral college (thanks to our ingenious Founding Fathers) to avoid 'the tyranny of the majority.' 
Well, the tyranny of the big cities/states. The whole system is conceptualized wrong... it's more like community vs. community (rural vs. urban). Not individual vote vs. individual vote.
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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #765 on: October 08, 2019, 04:15:01 PM »
Well, the tyranny of the big cities/states. The whole system is conceptualized wrong... it's more like community vs. community (rural vs. urban). Not individual vote vs. individual vote.

     The big cities and states are on the losing side. The empty zones rule. Wyoming has the same number of Senators as California.
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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #766 on: October 08, 2019, 04:25:15 PM »
And then there are the onanist cynics who exult in a president who flouts the Law.
Totally agree, man.  Thank God the Obama years are over!
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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #767 on: October 08, 2019, 04:30:13 PM »
     After consulting with a psychic I have determined that Million Dollar Man does want to testify.

     He has a lawyer. This lawyer is very OK. He doesn't even a little bit work for Trump, or Pompeo, or Barr.

     The lawyer says don't get in trouble for these people who don't have your best interests at heart. You want to have a life when this is all over. As soon as a court says you have to testify, do so and with righteous vengeance take these fuckers down.
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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #768 on: October 08, 2019, 10:36:04 PM »
Totally agree, man.  Thank God the Obama years are over!
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« Reply #769 on: October 09, 2019, 03:18:29 AM »
Personally, I vote in every election.

Lest I be misunderstood I must add: the fact that I vote does not mean I entertain any hopes or illusions about the outcome, irrespective whether my vote is in the majority or in the minority. I have long since ceased to believe that the grave problems that plague Romania can be fixed by the very same people who created them in the first place. My vote has one, and only one, goal: to limit the power of the Socialists by voting for the party which has either the best chances to defeat them (this is a rare occurence, though) or the best chances to come second. Usually, this means the National Liberal Party --- but given that just a few years ago they were allied with the socialists in the government and are thus directly responsible for the abovementioned problems, I vote for them without any conviction that they are really better and more competent. The only field where they are clearly superior to the Socialists is that they are less corrupt and do not wage war on the independence of justice.

To sum it up, the Romanian government is indeed by the people, with the people, for the people. The problem is that they are always the same people.  ;D
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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #770 on: October 09, 2019, 03:20:07 AM »
There’s still fluoride in the water so the jokes on you.
Sorry, I have a private well.  My fluoride is in my toothpaste.

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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #771 on: October 09, 2019, 05:18:28 AM »
Lest I be misunderstood I must add: the fact that I vote does not mean I entertain any hopes or illusions about the outcome, irrespective whether my vote is in the majority or in the minority.

     Way to think outside the box! No, you are not misunderstood. It doesn't matter what hopes or illusions you think those other people entertain. They vote for practical reason not unlike your own, even if they sometimes get a little too hopey for your refined sensibilities. I do, too, by the way. I have illusions about more health insurance under Obama than before he was elected. If you have illusions about the recent past it's not too hard to imagine similar illusions in the near future.
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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #772 on: October 09, 2019, 05:20:28 AM »
Sorry, I have a private well.  My fluoride is in my toothpaste.



     I have distilled water in my bomb shelter. I'm not the least bit sorry.
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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #773 on: October 10, 2019, 01:26:48 AM »
     I have distilled water in my bomb shelter. I'm not the least bit sorry.

I see.
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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #774 on: October 10, 2019, 04:48:12 AM »

     If I support a candidate that wants to change things a little more than average, a critical interpretation of my position could include my supposed lack of realism about what could be accomplished by a leftish President. The assumption must be that a realist would be someone who supported a candidate guaranteeing that little would be attempted. That seems to me like fatalism more than realism.

     A more sophisticated form of realism would include all the factors. In order to achieve something you try to achieve more than something. How things work is how things have worked. Where did Social Security come from, eh? Was it a Martian virus? Did nobody want it into existence? Was it unrealistic?
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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #775 on: October 10, 2019, 01:54:44 PM »
Bernie Sanders to scale back campaign schedule in the wake of heart attack

It's CNN, so it's fake news.

Actually:

CNN Caught Doctoring Photos & Video Of Bernie Sanders.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/iuHlWe_aydE" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/iuHlWe_aydE</a>
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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #776 on: October 10, 2019, 04:06:31 PM »
There are probably other, and better, Sanders spokespeople you can be following and quoting.

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« Reply #777 on: October 10, 2019, 04:12:45 PM »
Sanders said he would scale back from 4/5 events a day to 2/3. CNN took this as an opportunity to paint the picture that he is winding down his campaign (while there is nothing indicating that). It's misleading.

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Re: And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020
« Reply #778 on: October 10, 2019, 04:27:44 PM »
That's not what the CNN article above does. Its not even what the title says.


If Sanders gets the nomination the Trump people will now be saying "heart attack" a thousand times a day. And, frankly, battling whatever smear campaigns they have waiting for him would have to be stress enough to strain even the healthiest person.

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« Reply #779 on: October 11, 2019, 03:36:17 AM »
That's not what the CNN article above does. Its not even what the title says.


If Sanders gets the nomination the Trump people will now be saying "heart attack" a thousand times a day. And, frankly, battling whatever smear campaigns they have waiting for him would have to be stress enough to strain even the healthiest person.

Would be quite ironic if one heart attack prevented the US finally join the rest of the developped World and give all people healthcare as a human right.

Clearly you don't believe in Bernie, but I do, because I know he is a fighter and thanks to this operation feeling now better than for years (so that CNN manipulates video and pictures of him to make him look worse) and I also understand how important it is to have this man as the next president of the USA.
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