And They're Off! The Democratic Candidates for 2020

[71 dB]

If you read what I wrote, you would understand that Canadian drugs are not allowed in the US, and the problem is not because of we don't have single payer but because we allow single-producer.

Also, if you read the Balance article , you would have realized it concludes there are no reliable statistics!

You don't understant it's the SAME REASON!!! Profit!!! That's why not single payer and no allowed import!!! When you give middle finger you can allow import AND have single payer!! FOr profit healthcare make no sense. That's why only US has it. Only US is corrupt and stupid enough.

[71 dB]

Michael Bloomberg wants to humiliate himself!  Let's see if he gets more than 17 votes from his establishment circles. Probably away from Biden which only helps the progressives.

[JBS]

You don't understant it's the SAME REASON!!! Profit!!! That's why not single payer and no allowed import!!! When you give middle finger you can allow import AND have single payer!! FOr profit healthcare make no sense. That's why only US has it. Only US is corrupt and stupid enough.

So you're a Communist. Then you should realize that your arguments are not effective with people who are not communist.

But allowing imported drugs would solve most of the problem. No need to use single payer.

But can you at least understand that, compared to the general US, the GMG membership trends left? Even me. I am, in US terms, left of center.  But most Americans don't even know who Charlie Kirk is, so "destroying" him isn't that big a deal.

[schnittkease]

Is there any investigative reporting presented via YouTube? Isn't 100% of whats on there just amateur opinion on other peoples legwork?

A considerable amount of the information you (and your beloved Kyle) take completely for granted and absorb through whatever circuitous route comes from some very talented people in what you sweepingly call "the corporate media".

Many on YouTube have the necessary qualifications to be one of those "very talented people" on corporate media.

[Mirror Image]

We are always inside a bubble. It is about choosing the correct one. How to do that? You listen to the bubbles and use your head to decide which bubble makes most sense. That's how I chose my bubble. The day I find Alex Jones' bubble make more sense than Kyle Kulinski's bubble I will change my opinions and I start talking how Obama is a lizard human sent on Earth by Satan, but so far I find Kyle Kulinski making much more sense... ...so that's why I have my bubble.

That's a lot of bubbles. Are you planning on making your own bath?

[71 dB]

Is there any investigative reporting presented via YouTube? Isn't 100% of whats on there just amateur opinion on other peoples legwork?

Here:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwNJt9PYyN1uyw2XhNIQMMA
https://tyt.com/stories/franchise/4vZLCHuQrYE4uKagy0oyMA

[71 dB]

So you're a Communist. Then you should realize that your arguments are not effective with people who are not communist.

But allowing imported drugs would solve most of the problem. No need to use single payer.

But can you at least understand that, compared to the general US, the GMG membership trends left? Even me. I am, in US terms, left of center.  But most Americans don't even know who Charlie Kirk is, so "destroying" him isn't that big a deal.

Do you want healthcare for ALL americans? Single payer is the answer.
I am not communist. I am social democrat.

[JBS]

Do you want healthcare for ALL americans? Single payer is the answer.
I am not communist. I am social democrat.

Single payer is not the only answer. It's not even the best answer.
You complain about people making a profit, then claim government should control things.  That's more communist than social democrat.

I've told you this before: if you want to be fully informed, you need to listen to the people who disagree with you, not the people who agree with you. The former are more likely to bring you information you don't know about. F.i., the people you agree with don't mention the way Big Pharma abuses the patent and FDA approval processes. That means they aren't telling you about the most important part of the problem of high drug prices. A part of the problem single payer is not able to fix.

[Karl Henning]

Many on YouTube have the necessary qualifications to be one of those "very talented people" on corporate media.

Sure, but it's not about qualifications. We have a chap who pays no attention to news of the sort he doesn't like, and dismisses it out of hand as "corporate." I.e: His precious bubble.

[drogulus]

Do you want healthcare for ALL americans? Single payer is the answer.
I am not communist. I am social democrat.

      It's not the answer, it's one of the best answers, used among the best systems. There are different pay for schemes in universal health coverage. Who and what is covered is crucial. Pay for controversies are supposed to be about whether the program can be done. That's nonsense, it's either a way to stop the program or fight with rivals over whose plan is best. In the world the best is on the benefit side, not the pay for side, in public discourse the howyougonna is politics more than economics, where all general plan types work.

     The notion that the U.S will go broke doing what less rich countries do is pure fakery.

   

[milk]

...it would be worse...because that is what happens under...Obamacare.

What's the evidence that things are generally worse for people under Obamacare?

[milk]

So you're a Communist. Then you should realize that your arguments are not effective with people who are not communist.

But allowing imported drugs would solve most of the problem. No need to use single payer.

But can you at least understand that, compared to the general US, the GMG membership trends left? Even me. I am, in US terms, left of center.  But most Americans don't even know who Charlie Kirk is, so "destroying" him isn't that big a deal.

are you saying that there AREN'T western European countries that have removed profit partially or completely from their healthcare systems?

[drogulus]

are you saying that there AREN'T western European countries that have removed profit partially or completely from their healthcare systems?

     The answer is immaterial, a distraction. What the system provides, full coverage sociopathic politicians can't take away, is what matters. Once implemented, a major barrier will have fallen and future improvement can be made.

[Florestan]

I am not communist.

You might not be a communist but you obviously exhibit mental and behavioral traits typical of a Party activist, including, but not limited to:

- fanatical dedication to "the Party's cause"
- blind belief in the Party's "scientifically-based" ideology
- unshakable conviction of your moral and intellectual superiority to anyone who disagrees with you;
- firm persuassion that anyone who disagrees with you is either benighted (brainwashed) or "an enemy of the people"
- deep and in some cases, probably yours too, genuine concern for the welfare of people who have never asked for your help and who, given the opportunity, would probably reject many / most / all of your solutions to their problems.

You might not be a communist but, had you been born in the right place at the right time, you'd quite possibly have been one of them.

[SimonNZ]

Here:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwNJt9PYyN1uyw2XhNIQMMA
https://tyt.com/stories/franchise/4vZLCHuQrYE4uKagy0oyMA

No. That doesn't qualify as " investigative reporting".

[Herman]

Let's not all pile on 71.

He's from Finland, which may be pretty close to the total opposite of the USA, culturally, even though Trump likes to touch Finland's presidents knee a lot, while talking.

[71 dB]

Single payer is not the only answer. It's not even the best answer.

It has a damn good track record all over the World. Healthcare can be done with public or private service providers or mix of the two, but the principle of single payer is what makes it work. Some candidates talk about public option (not single payer). The problem is privite insurance providers can cherry pick healthy and young customers and leave the sick to the public side making it hard to be sustainable.

You complain about people making a profit, then claim government should control things.  That's more communist than social democrat.

Then the US has communist fire department, doesn't it? Even the US is a mixed economy and some things in society are run by the government, because that's the best way to do it. Bernie is not proposing government should run coffee shops. Coffee shops work best in free market capitalism so that's the way it should be. The UK has public financing of public healthcare services while France has public finance of private healthcare services. Both work very well, so services can be public or private as long as it's public financing. You want to make profit, operate on a sector free market is good for and leave people's healthcare alone.

I've told you this before: if you want to be fully informed, you need to listen to the people who disagree with you, not the people who agree with you. The former are more likely to bring you information you don't know about. F.i., the people you agree with don't mention the way Big Pharma abuses the patent and FDA approval processes. That means they aren't telling you about the most important part of the problem of high drug prices. A part of the problem single payer is not able to fix.

I do listen to people who disagree, for example you. It's not my fault your opinions suck. It's irrelevant HOW Big Pharma abuses whatever processes. This is about moving toward Nordic social democracy and restoring democracy where Big Pharma doesn't have the power to abuse anyone in any way. When the government is the big buyer of drugs and says government pays only 50 dollars for a something that has cost 200 dollars because in France and Germany similar drug costs only 30 dollars Big Pharma has no choice but to cut prices and lower profit to reasonable level. That's why Big Pharma doesn't want Bernie to become the president and why they buy the corporate media to smear Bernie day in day out. Maybe you should start listening to people like me?

[71 dB]

      It's not the answer, it's one of the best answers, used among the best systems. There are different pay for schemes in universal health coverage. Who and what is covered is crucial. Pay for controversies are supposed to be about whether the program can be done. That's nonsense, it's either a way to stop the program or fight with rivals over whose plan is best. In the world the best is on the benefit side, not the pay for side, in public discourse the howyougonna is politics more than economics, where all general plan types work.

     The notion that the U.S will go broke doing what less rich countries do is pure fakery.

How is the US going to pay the current system? That's the real question. Isn't it funny how they ask "howyougonnapay" only when it's something that would help regular people?

Tax cuts for the rich? No problem! Increase of military budget? No problem!
Cancellation of student loans? How are we gonna pay for it??
Healthcare for all? How are we gonna pay for it??

That's what you have in oligarchy.

[71 dB]

What's the evidence that things are generally worse for people under Obamacare?

ObamaCare was a step to the right direction and more people got covered under it. Trump has harmed ObamaCare and I believe 7 million people have lost their healthcare under Trump (he promised healthcare to everyone, but of course lied).

ObamaCare is originally a right wing idea that protects the profits of insurance companies while giving covarage to more people. In the 80's it was a Republican thing, but the Overton Window moved right so that The Dems moved in economic issues where Republicans used to be and despite of campaigning as a lefty, Obama governed as a centrists and did RomneyCare renamed to ObamaCare. A lot of people are pissed of the Dems because of centrist BS like this. Dems lost over 1000 seats under Obama and Hillary Clinton lost to Trump. If you don't serve your base you lose it. Corporate Dems really suck at serving their base, but what can you do when you have been paid and bought to NOT serve your base, but your donors? That's the dilemma the Dems have had and that's why there is a civil war inside the Dems between the corporates and the progressives.

[71 dB]

     The answer is immaterial, a distraction. What the system provides, full coverage sociopathic politicians can't take away, is what matters. Once implemented, a major barrier will have fallen and future improvement can be made.

Good post!